Podcast Episode 42: Sarah Lockman | Hard Work Leads To Success

In this podcast, we speak with Sarah Lockman. Sarah is the definition of hard work and passion for horses. Sarah specializes in developing top quality horses from 3 years old to the FEI levels while pursuing her dream of representing the United States in international competition. Sarah shares more into the early journey in dressage, how she's got the where she is today and future ambitions.

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Natasha (00:00:00):
Welcome to this Your Riding Success episode with the gorgeous Sarah Lockman. Sarah Lockman has been riding horses since before she could walk on her own two feet. Sarah Lockman dressage operates out of the beautiful summit farm in California. Sarah specializes in developing top quality horses from three years old to the FEI levels, while at the same time, pursuing her dream of representing the United States in international competition. Sarah continues to travel regularly to Europe to find and showcase talented horses available for sale. She also holds the United States dressage Federation Dressage bronze, silver, and gold medals. I had an amazing conversation getting to know Sarah and I hope and trust you enjoy this conversation as much as I did having it. Here's Sarah.

Natasha (00:00:39):
Welcome to the, Your Riding Success podcast. My name is Natasha Althoff and I'm a grand Prix dressage rider from Australia, author of three books and a leading online trainer of riders all around the world, wanting to take their riding to the next level. I'm also a shopaholic mother of two amazing children and obsessed with helping riders to be all they can be. Each week I'm going to be bringing you stories of inspiration, ideas, and strategies of how to make real progress in your riding and give you actionable advice on overcoming riding fear and anxiety so you can take your riding to the next level and be the rider you dream to be. So let's get into today's episode.

Natasha (00:01:16):
So excited to chat today, Sarah. Really, um, I think so many people are going to love to hear your story.

Sarah (00:01:22):
Thank you. I'm excited. It is an interesting and fun story to tell. So I'm happy to share.

Natasha (00:01:28):
I can't wait. I can't wait. So, um, where would you like to start? How did, how did horses begin for you? Um, what was your early years with horses?

Sarah (00:01:39):
Well, I have been riding since basically before I could walk my mum and her whole side of the family are from South Africa. And so she grew up on a really big farm. My grandfather trained race horses as well as well as had, um, you know, a cattle ranch. So they were also working horses there as well. But in South Africa, especially at that time, there really wasn't much Western riding or were really technically what the US people know as Western saddle.

Sarah (00:02:09):
So all the horses went in English where they look like Australian saddles, like working saddles. Um, so, um, have this dream and she said, I'm gonna have a daughter and name her Sarah and she's going to ride. So my mother was on a very, uh, clear path. She moved to the US um, and got married. And my dad, um, comes from Wisconsin, but never even had a dog. So not exactly the animal person. And he of course married my mother, who is like the animal horse lover, and to have more animals if possible all the time. Um, so when I was not even three years old yet, uh, we went on a trip, just my mom and I have visit our family in South Africa. And when we got back, my dad had searched through it's basically now what Craigslist is, but at the time it was called the penny saver and it a little newspaper that people would just sell random stuff on there.
Speaker 2 (00:03:02):
And he found a 32 year old pony for 500 bucks and he thought that this was going to be the best. Yeah. Oh, this is going to be great. They're going to be so happy. So we built a little barn on our property while we were gone. And here's this poor pony that technically, I think had one foot in the grave. I'm surprised that, you know, the guy didn't pay him for my dad's take. It said it would be the opposite. Um, but that was my first horse. And, you know, the first pictures are pretty cute because that's why I said about the Western tack is in South Africa. You know, at that time, my mom had no knowledge of anything, any putting on any Western tack. And obviously I grew up in Northern Nevada in a really small town called Gardnerville. And so that's predominantly even to this time, uh, Western.

Sarah (00:03:54):
So, so the pictures early on pictures are pretty hysterical because the saddle pads on like upside down and basically over the horses groove hanging off one ear and everything. But so that was my first horse and that's kind of what started at all. Um, and from that point on, I mean, anytime I could sneak out of the house one time, I think the horse was laying down and I had that crawled up on her back when she was laying down and they couldn't find me now, I was at the stables. So I kind of, from that point on was just horse crazy. So that's how it all started. And I, you know, rode a lot of Western and did a trail in Western pleasure. And I knew one of the trail courses. They had a bunch of, uh, little poles out in my horse half and kind of Hawk over a pole.

Sarah (00:04:43):
And so at that point I told my trainer, I want to jump. So then like, exactly, I want to jump. So I definitely, and, uh, and did the a hundred jumpers and that led me into pony club. So I, um, got extremely involved in pony clubs and, uh, worked my way up through the ratings. Um, I finished as a B, but was studying and getting ready for my A. But at the time, um, I had gotten a good job offer down here. So I couldn't finish that, but my parents were the DC's of pony club and had a huge influence in my time. So, so yeah, from then on, it was, it was all business. I think, uh, another story I like to tell too is I was 10 years old and I told my trainer, she was my first trainer still at the time. And I said, I'm going to be a horse trainer and I'm going to go to the Olympics and she looks at, you should just go to school. And now I kind of, yeah. Cause I think I would tell other little girls the same things. It's quite a hard career path, but I would never change it for the world. So I still send her updates all the time. You know, that I'm still making my way. Uh,

Natasha (00:05:59):
Yeah, getting there.

Sarah (00:05:59):

Natasha (00:06:01):
Extraordinary. I love it. I love, um, that you knew from such a young age that this is where you were going to go, and this is what you're going to do now, when you were 10 and you said, I'm going to go to the Olympics. Did you have in your head, did you even know what it was like, was it a eventing? Was it dressage or was it like, I don't even really know what the Olympics are, but that's what I'm doing.

Sarah (00:06:21):
So, so at the time I had started, when I was 10, I had started eventing cause that was at the time were with pony club. And back in those days, you know, pony club was only three-day eventing. Um, so I was eventing and I, you know, my sisters and I, we, my whole entire family rode horses. Um, and so we would put in like the VHS tapes of the Olympics and watch them in slow-mo and then rewind and slow-mo the whole thing. So I actually, from that time I picked a year, I'm not going to say that out loud because we're going to leave that to be, but I picked a year.

Natasha (00:06:54):
[inaudible]. I said, yeah, I was 16. I just started like early dressage. I said, Oh, surely in six months, I'll be ready for the Sydney 2000 Olympics. That was my plan.

Sarah (00:07:07):
Complete year planned out like, okay, I should be, I should be old enough, then I can go to the Olympics here. And so it was kind of funny.

Natasha (00:07:14):
What was your year? You have to share, it's only maybe.

Sarah (00:07:19):
2012, so

Natasha (00:07:25):
I love it. Timeframe wrong. That's the only thing we got wrong about the whole thing.

Sarah (00:07:29):
Yeah, definitely. Now, knowing more now you realize why you can't exactly just say this year, you know, and it takes, uh, but you know, just the passion that I had and I just everybody's asked me, you know, if you could do anything else, what was you? And I don't even know. I've just never even thought of anything different. Um, and I just made sure to tell my trainers early on, they would always laugh. Um, but I said, you know, if you ever look at me and say, God, Sarah should take up sewing or, you know, something else, I said tell me and then I'll go back to school. But, you know, my trainers were all very encouraging. They saw, I think, talent at a young age and, and honestly I just worked so hard and had so much determination. I think nobody was gonna really tell me I couldn't.

Natasha (00:08:16):
I love it. Okay. So we're in two thousand. What were you in 2010 when you said 2012 Olympics, what year?

Sarah (00:08:25):
Ten years old. So god. How old was 11? It would have been like 1998, 1999.

Natasha (00:08:34):
Yeah.And the plan was for eventing. So when did that shift and change? What, what happened unfolded?

Sarah (00:08:41):
Right. So always through my eventing career, I had super eventing coaches. I had evented through advanced. I was, you know, I did a couple two stars and was very successful. I was like top 12 young rider in the country. Um, and I always knew that it was really important to focus on the dressage phase. So I had great eventing coaches, but I always worked specifically with the dressage coach, which was not always done back then. Um, and I had a great lady in our town, um, Shelly Edwards, who was very classically trained really about biomechanics, about teaching the horse, how to use themselves. And when you, I mean, I had, we had no money growing up. So the horses that I thought, I mean, they were off the track thoroughbreds. So she taught us how to make these off the track thoroughbreds, you know, move to the best of their ability. And, you know, I remember spending lessons and lessons on a 20 meter circle going, God, why can't I get this? Right. You know? So it was, so I had a passion for dressage early on cause it was something you could almost never, you could almost never get it. Right.

Natasha (00:09:48):
No still can't.

Sarah (00:09:48):
Right. So another side note is I've actually always been homeschooled. So my mom, when I was, you know, wanted to do it so badly and financially we could not maintain that. So I really had to work off my lessons and training. So one way to do that was field to do my schoolwork whenever, and then go work for your trainers. I wanted, um, to have lessons from. So when I was 15, I moved from Northern Nevada to Northern California and I worked for B and Derek DiGrazia and Derek at the time was the young rider coach for eventing and his wife B is a dressage trainer. And she was very involved in social. I figured, okay, I could get the best of both worlds, you know, work my butt off, rode around town in a moped cause I couldn't drive, you know? Uh, and, uh, then shortly after that I got a job offer for a very big training barn and sales barn in Southern California and I up and I told that trainer, I said, I'm going to sell my soul to you.

Sarah (00:10:53):
I'll do whatever you want. I'll clean your car. I'll mop the floors and myself anything. And I did end up doing anything and everything and to Southern California when I was 16 and that was for a dressage barn. So I brought my eventing horses with me and I figured that I would keep jumping on the side and focus on dressage. Uh, but one thing led to another and I ended up really finding, you know, so much joy and so much fun riding these incredibly talented, you know, imported, dressage horses. I, you know, I'd never had had a cheap ride, such people

Natasha (00:11:28):
Like a ferrari.

Sarah (00:11:29):
How was the end? Forget the Hummer. So, uh, after working there, that's kind of what switched. So I, you know, ended up selling the eventing horses and focusing on dressage from that point on.

Natasha (00:11:48):
I love it. Okay. So then I think what would inevitably come up is your off the track thoroughbred might not get you. So if that's where the shift happened, do you remember a specific shift going, but the Olympics is still a thing. So now if dressage is the thing now, but dressage Olympics are a thing and off the track, thoroughbreds, aren't going to be the vehicle for that. Was there a defining moment?

Sarah (00:12:14):
Yeah. Well, and I think also being to be completely honest, dropped into the real world, of course, you know, outside of my little cow town in Nevada, um, not only do you see the quality of horses, but also to be honest, the price tags on everything. And I didn't really think, you know, and obviously I was young and a teenager, but I didn't understand, you know, what it would take. So when I got into a high-end barn like that, I went, okay, well, you know, I didn't come from money and I haven't married money. So, uh, you know, how am I going to make this work? And so one of the things to be honest in the beginning about dressage was, you know, I can make a really good living doing this because in eventing at the time, you know, the top horses, they didn't sell for that much money. Most people did, you know, off the track thoroughbreds or, you know, inexpensive horses and make them theirselves. And there's also a different dynamic from eventing to dressage, you know, in dressage, everybody has their horse in full training. That's just what is done and eventing I mean, my horses were never in training. You know, my, my friends were never in training. We just paid for, you know, less once or twice a week. So when I really started to kind of lay things out and go, okay, if I really want to be a successful trainer and, you know, compete internationally at the top of the sport, you know, I'm going to have to make a good living.

Sarah (00:13:36):
And so it into, you know, I need to make a decision career-wise and, and be able to support myself. And I also was able to see during the time at this facility, at this barn, you know, sales and how successful buying horses was. So that really is actually one of my other passions that's let me, you know, be very successful in my career. So in 2012, I started my own business and I told myself, I was like, you know what, even if I have to work at McDonald's on the side, I'm going to go off on my own and I'm going to start. And I'm, you know, I'm going to start moving forward and really invest in my own riding and training. Um, you know, instead of.

Natasha (00:14:18):
What age were you at that time?

Sarah (00:14:20):
Was in 2012. Oh man. Oh man. I'm really bad at math. I'm 32 now. So that's what, what, right now it's 2020. So I think that was, that was eight years ago. I would have been 23 or 24. Oh my God. It's so bad.

Natasha (00:14:50):
Start your own business. Like just got to spell. It was like to Start your own business. And as you said back yourself, even if I don't have any clients, even if no one calls my phone, I'll go to McDonald's. I am, I am starting my business. So good on you at 24. That's huge.

Sarah (00:15:02):
Yes. Yeah. So I was, I kind of, you know, made the jump and, um, the other thing I had kind of realized by this point is it's not good enough to just get it done. You know, I was known as the girl, you want a horse jumped to give it to Sarah, tell her how high, you know, and I would ride anything. I would fix anything I rode a lot of problem horses. A lot of young horses, you know, put changes on horses that no one else can. And I'm so thankful for that time because it's really turned me into the person I am now. But again, my goal was not just to be, you know, a good rider it's to be national rider and competitor yet I'm starting my own business also allowed me to focus more on my riding and my skillset and, um, you know, what I wanted to be known for.

Sarah (00:15:52):
Um, so I was really lucky to start my business off with, um, you know, I had a couple people that had known me for so long, you know, just being into the industry that followed me and gave me a chance, um, early on with clients that gave me some nice young horses that, you know, they could have sent it to someone that had a much more substantial record. Uh, but I had quite a few people really believe in me. Um, and that was really cool to see. Yeah. And you know, one of those was early on was Debbie McDonald. Who's now coach and also one of my coaches and she saw me quite early on and she followed me back to the barn at one horse show and looked at all my clients and said, you better be used to her being gone because this girl's going places. So it was really, it was,

Natasha (00:16:36):
I would have retired then, like done.

Sarah (00:16:41):
Oh, I know. I was like, okay, okay, now it's getting serious. Um, so I love it. A lot of things early on that happened. Um, but I, I grew my business and over the course of a handful of years, I ended up having the largest business on the West coast, largest dressage business on the West coast. I consistently had over 50 horses in training with, uh, multiple grooms and riders. I had a very large sales program, you know, between 15 and 20 horses for sale at any given time. Um, and so I, you know, took that those years when I started my business to build big and I enjoyed it. It was like a game for me. It was fun for me to see, you know, how big I could be and how successful all my clients and riders and everything to be. Um, I bet there were, those were definitely, you know, definitely some long, hard days. Uh, but it, that was one thing I definitely was known for early on is I think I was the busiest trainer in California, for sure.

Natasha (00:17:42):
So let's just unpack that. That's huge. So how old were you when you, when you, had that 50, that the size of the 50 horses.

Sarah (00:17:49):
I really think it was like two or three years in. So I must've been 27, you know, 27, 28. I had those, those many horses. So

Natasha (00:17:58):
Congrata frickin lations.Like that is just huge. I know how hard business is. Um, I know how hard, you know, all of that is, and you just, I I'd love that. You're um, you're, you're, you've just got this inside you like why not? Why not? And let's just give it a go and let's just see where we can take this and you dream big and you think big and you get rewarded. So huge congrats for that. I think that's huge. Okay. So was, did you have business goals and like dressage like the Olympic still? Or was it like, it's all a means to an end? We're just doing this to get the Olympics, but just doing this together.

Sarah (00:18:36):
As sad as it is. Yes. So my, my kind of thought process during this time was, you know, one of the ways to make, uh, one of the ways you can make the most consistent money is obviously clients. So clients are great. I mean, I enjoy clients. I love teaching. I love coaching. That's totally a passion of mine. Um, and you know, I always had the idea of, you know, you never know who you're going to meet, and you're never going to know, you know, what first shows up in your barn that ends up.

Natasha (00:19:07):
You've got 50 horses so you got a better chance of finding your {inaudible}. Yeah.

Sarah (00:19:11):
Oh, we had the clients around me were so supportive of me. You know, I had really ambitious amateurs that all rode and competed all the way through Grand Prix. You know, they won many, many titles themselves, but they would always have maybe a young horse or let me show their horse for awhile. So, you know, I think it's really important when you're looking at, um, career wise. I was always in the ring. So, so name wise, it really grew my name. I mean, if you said Sarah Lockman, anyone on the West coast would know while she's either at this show or her clients here or her thing is here, you know, so a little bit name recognition that definitely built that for me. Um, and again, the scales and everything was a means keep putting money away. Um, you know, I, I had always hoped that a sponsor or somebody would come along and be like, you know, here you go, let's go find you a horse, but I know that it's rare.

Sarah (00:20:03):
So my plan was, I'm going to keep saving money, making money, saving money, making horses, selling horses, and I'm, I have to be able to buy these horses for myself. Um, and that was kind of my, uh, what started from a young age. It started, but why I was really interested in the young horses cause bonding And for us, it was definitely more affordable. You can find that diamond in the rough and then you have a chance of making it and it could be the next big thing. So, you know, everything was geared towards that. And I think if you asked any of my old clients, they all knew, you know, even though it's the daily grind and I was trying to make every horse and rider meet their goals, I still had this goal of my own, you know, not on the back burner, but it was in the back of my mind working towards that. So that's kind of where the next part of my story that gets a little bit fairy tale like starts.

Natasha (00:20:58):
Hang on, hang on, hang on. I just need you to unpack it just a bit more. So firstly, I can hear goals, goals, goals, and that, that goal, you said you kept putting money away. Did you have a figure in mind? You don't have to share if you don't want to. I think everyone's like, what is the figure? Cause again, from like, if I remember when I was, um, was dotted off in horses and I remember opening the paper at the time that was selling horses and I went, Oh my God, mom, there's a horse for $3,000. We were paying, you know, the 500, seven 50 and I couldn't conceive $3,000. And now the more you get into horses, the more you dream, if anything, exactly. Well, I do have a range. Like, did you pull like a million dollar figure in your head or were you thinking half a million? Were you thinking

Sarah (00:21:48):
Well, no. Right. I definitely, I mean, at this point I am savvy to what it takes and I'm savvy to what horses costs. I do a lot of buying and selling horses. I, you know, in that time still, also was going over to Europe quite often and, and buying an investment horse and selling them. So I, I definitely know what a good horse costs and a good horse is not cheap. So my, my goal had just been to do, you know, find a really nice young horse. So actually one, I got a good opportunity, right when I started my business when I was 24. So in 2012 and uh, local breeding farm had gone into bankruptcy and they were selling all of their young stock. Couldn't, you know, the bank was selling it. So it was only, you know, make it happen fast. And I bought a lovely yearling for $2,500.

Sarah (00:22:40):
So I, I just took them to Chicago as a, he was number four in the developing horse, uh, in the country. Um, but I got them for $2,500 and three years later, I had an offer for 200,000 for him that I turned down because at that time I really thought that this was the best horse I could get my hands on. Um, so I, I knew what horse is cost and I knew it was going to take a while of developing good horses, you know, and selling them and, and, you know, either taking it most likely I was going to take a chance on a young horse. And if it wasn't the one, you know, I know from being exactly, cause you know, good training is worth most of it. Um, so that was kind of thing. So I didn't have a number. I just knew, you know, I needed to be ready because to be honest, especially now it does not matter how big your budget is finding a good horse is not easy. So a good horse is hard to find. It doesn't matter if you go out there into the universe with an unlimited budget, it's hard to find them. So I just wanted to be ready to be able to make the move if an opportunity.

Natasha (00:23:56):
And there are so many goals. Are you, do you write them down? Are they plastered over your bedroom wall or were they just internal? How do you do your goal setting process?

Sarah (00:24:05):
Um, you know, I, uh, it's a little bit internal. It's probably, it's a little passive as well. You know, I, a weird thing I've always done is whenever I, I like antique shopping and going into those little like Chomsky stores and everything. So anytime I see anything to do with the Olympics, like I have all these little pins from like, I think I have one from like 1984. I have like one from 1950 something. Yeah. So I have all these like little Olympic things that I have, I have saved. And then, you know, I'm pretty sure anyone could break into any phone or computer or anything by just guess some Olympics name and number. Always been my little like code so then that way I, you know, I think of it every time I type in my year, you know, so, so as my year for riding in the Olympics or, you know, representing the U S as that, uh, changes. So does mine

Speaker 3 (00:25:03):
Passwords. I love it.

Natasha (00:25:07):
You are so going to get there, it is guaranteed. Just listening to how you're orchestrating it. It's definitely. Wow. Okay. So I think I've unpacked that, tell me what the next fairy tale journey looks like.

Sarah (00:25:22):
So, uh, during this time of having all of these horses and training, I get a really random phone call from, um, my barn owner. Uh, and that said, I got a random phone call from this gentleman that says he has a Friesian, but he wants to put in training. I know you're really full. Like he didn't sound to know, like you knew anything. He said he just needed a stall, but she goes, as I asked him questions, it's it didn't seem to know anything about horses in general. Do you want, do you want me to give you his number or do you want me to give his number of, you know, one of the other ladies at the barn? And I said, Oh no, I'll I'll if you ask asked, you know, I'll, I'll call him. So I called this gentleman up and, um, you know, he started telling me that he had bought this, you know, he wanted to, he's ridden cutting horses, you know, 20 years ago.

Sarah (00:26:06):
And he's dragged about dressage and owning a Friesian. And so he's, he's bought this Friesian online, or he's looking to find this Friesian off the internet. And you know, it was like all of us horse people like red flag, red flag. I love Friesians for many reasons, but they're not always the best first horses. They're very bouncy and can be very strong. So I was terrified, you know? Cause he didn't sound like he knew how a lot of horse experience. So I said, you know, wait, wait, wait, no one. She sent me the video and if you want to come into my program, I'll go look at the horse for you. Cause you hadn't even gotten to see the horse it's if you don't have yet looked at x-rays you have no clue what x-rays?

Natasha (00:26:46):
Why would we do that?

Sarah (00:26:48):
I'll send you all information. I'll call you tomorrow. So he sends me everything on the horse looks nice, but you know, it's uh, it's a Friesian video so it's him the horse galloping through the field hair flowing.

Sarah (00:27:02):
So he calls me that day and before I could get the word out that I have a confession and I go, Oh man, he goes, I, I do. I bought it.

Sarah (00:27:13):
Okay. I said, okay, that's fine. I said, that's fine. We can, I can help you. And he goes, well, the lady is trying to sell me a saddle. I'm hold on. No, no, no, let me, let me help you now. So, so after that point, that's Jerry Ibanez who I'm talking about who's was my late sponsor. And uh, he, uh, he said, okay, I'm sending the horse to you and the horse horse actually ends up being one of the best Friesians I've ever seen. And I, two years ago showed the horse. I won with like a 73%, I mean, phenomenal horse. And so that's, but he wasn't, Jerry came into my barn. He said, I want you to teach me everything. Like I know nothing. And you know what I'm saying to myself? Well, you don't know anything, but it's okay. Okay. We will start from the beginning.

Sarah (00:27:55):
So he would come and look like a totally normal guy, to be honest, old t-shirt jeans, you know, drove a Jeep, no big deal. He'd go and spend hours with this horse. And with my grooms, teach me how to pick the feet, teach me how to brush the horse, wanted to clean the stalls. He came on Sunday to hand walk the horse. You know, he didn't really want a ride. He said, you know, I want to ride but I want you to get the horse to a spot where you think it should be. Now. Meanwhile it just to give you an insight of how amazing this man was, you know, my, my job, my days were very packed. You know, I have that many horse trainings. Every horse had a 40 minute slot and it was brought to the ring. I would get on it, get off at the 40 minute, handed off to a groom or an exercise rider to cool it off.

Sarah (00:28:43):
I mean, it's very regiment to get all of that done. So I mean, this man would be patient. He'd be at the end of the day, no rush. I mean just such a nice kind person. So one day it was like in late afternoon and he's in the cross ties, grooming this Friesian and I'm finishing up and, and he just casually asked me, so, you know, what, what are your goals? Like, what are you doing here basically? So I had told him, I said, you know, I'm, I'm doing all of this because you know, I want to go to the Olympics. I want to be one of the top riders in the US and I want to be an international, you know, top rider. Um, and he said, wow, it's amazing that I have to tell you, like, I have built an own, quite a lot of large businesses. And he goes, I have never, in my life, I've seen someone work as hard as you do. I said, Oh my God, you know, Oh, thank you. You're so sweet. So it's kind of long story short. I had been going over to Europe, quite often looking for investment horses and working with a partner. And I rode this fabulous, Grand Prix horse. And I, you know, I went and I called my mom and I was like, I have to have this horse. I have, this is my chance. I have to find a way to make this work. So I sat down and I thought, I'm going to call every single client of mine. And I'm going to put together a syndicate because if everybody gives two benefiting only give $500, like you have something maybe I can make this happen. Yeah. So I said, forget it. You know, I'm gonna call Jerry.

Sarah (00:30:10):
Uh, cause again, on that first conversation, one of the things he had said after I told them everything I wanted, he said, well, if you ever need help, let me know. Well then a lot of clients say that, you know, they're very supportive. They said, Oh, thank you so much. So who was my first phone call? I went, got all my courage up and said, I'm calling, gonna call Jerry. So I called Jerry and you know, I'm super nervous and I'm telling him, and it's a very, very expensive horse. So I'm telling him, I said, you know, Grand Prix horses are hard to find and blah, blah, blah. And it's, it's going to cost this much, but I'm looking at doing a syndicate. It can be tax deductible, the whole nine yards. And he said, okay, that's all he says.

Sarah (00:30:49):
I was like, okay. And he said, yeah, okay, let's do it. And I don't need anyone else's help. I don't mean the phone almost like dropped out of my hand. You know, I just mouth it up and pick up my job. Okay. Okay. Pull it together. And I was like, Oh, you sure? What are you? I think he goes, no, I really want to talk to you more in detail about this. Let's set up a meeting. And that was the beginning of my amazing life I have now. So Jerry ended up being my sole sponsor and him and I sat down with my coach at the time, Scott Hassler and talked about everything that it would take to, um, you know, really make a mark internationally. And you know, it's not just about buying the horse. That's really the least amount of it. You know, then it was, you know, Jerry's thought was, well, how do we take care of this horse to the best?

Sarah (00:31:40):
You know, this is an investment. And you know, one thing led to the next, then Jerry and I searched for a horse facility so we could take care of the horses the best way possible. So we now he bought a 22 acre farm in Marietta, California. That is incredible with super footing, huge grass, turnouts, you know, a horse heaven basically. And that horse that I called him about actually never ended up working out hilarious. Yeah. But that started the conversation. And, and from that point, you know, we set it up where, um, you know, we found a handful of horses actually. So now I'm very fortunate to have a pipeline of top horses, you know, from four year olds all the way to Grand Prix horses, uh, because the goal was, is, was, and is to, you know, be one of the US top riders for years to come.

Natasha (00:32:38):
And what year was that?

Sarah (00:32:39):
So that was, so this has been a little, almost three years now. It'll be three years in April. So that would have been in 2019, 19, 20, 21, 22, no, 2018, 2019.

Natasha (00:32:57):
So were you planning for 2020, or were you planning 2024?

Sarah (00:33:00):
So we had, I had right away, I had gone and started looking for Grand Prix horses and I made three trips over to Europe. Um, looking for a horse for if possible for 2020. That was really the hope. Um, but it is, again, this is where I go back to saying it's very hard to find a good horse, so it doesn't matter how bad you want it, how open your budget is finding a good horse and the right, or is it's a match for you. It's very difficult. So after three trips of trying, I mean, probably over a hundred amazing grand Prix versus none of them were my horse.

Speaker 2 (00:33:40):
So I came back to Jerry and said, you know what? Instead of just buying something to buy something, let's find some really nice young horses and let's just make them so bought a couple young horses, super six year old are super four year old. Um, and you know, started the path with them. And on a, in 2018, the fall of 2018, I was on a buying trip. Cause the other thing we did is sales. Um, just looking for investment horses for sale and I always would throw out there, or if you have something special, always look at something special. And that's when, um, we met First Apple. So, um, right. And that was just by chance. I, um, we had asked again, a lady that had shown us a normal, but a very cute five-year-old. And she said, actually, I do have something special. I can't tell you the horse's name.

Sarah (00:34:33):
Can't tell you where it is. I can't show you a video. It's not for sale. It's not supposed to be for sale, but she had fallen on some hard times family-wise and she said it could possibly be for sale. So we dragged to this unknown barn. Don't know what we're looking at, never seen a video and it was Apple and watch, you know, Patrick Vandemeer was the rider, who's an Olympic Dutch rider. Um, and I know he was probably as surprised as we are on, you know, it's unfortunate for him, but I think he was happy in the end of it because it was such a good match. Um, but he did such a lovely job with that horse that I just got on it. And it was two laps around the ring and I had tears coming down from my eyes and I looked over and the owner's shaking his head and the rider shaking their head because they knew it. Okay, well that's it. Yeah. I was lucky then we, we really wanted to lay things out. The correct way was such a special horse. So I spent a month in Holland and, um, Patrick and Apple learned, got him ready, groomed him, learned everything I could about him. Um, and then, and then brought them over to the States.

Natasha (00:35:51):
Wow. I've just got goosebumps. Cause I love that story of, you know, that it was a lap. It's not like you did the grand Prix. It's not like you did the tempi's or the piaffe or something. You just it's that feeling when you get into the saddle and you just go, I, it's home.

Speaker 2 (00:36:05):
Yeah, exactly. No, it's not that I have ridden, like I said, we'd been looking for horses, so I'd ridden plenty of talented horses. So it's not just that, but it was just the right match. And I think, you know, the rest is history and it proves itself because I think just six months later, eight months later we had a gold medal at the Pan-Am's with that horse, so, you know, it just, just matched him and I are just a great team. So it's such a fun thing to experience.

Natasha (00:36:36):
So obviously you I'm so pumped for 2020, you're like, woo, you've got you're coming off your gold medal at the pan AM's and you're like, this is, this is, this is so exotic. How did you, how did you cope with, yeah. It's not happening this year?

Sarah (00:36:52):
Well, you know, I have to say it was quite a push for Apple and I to come off a small tour and be in the rig and ring in the big tour in six months.

Natasha (00:37:03):
Sorry. I thought that was the grand Prix. Okay. That is a big push. You are pumped then that it's a year later we are happy days.

Sarah (00:37:13):
Exactly. Cause it was, it was definitely a push. I mean the horse is incredibly talented. I mean, I think I can say is definitely one of the best horses in the country. And many, many people have said world world-class horse, but things take time, you know, and, and he'd only ever been all to or so Patrick had only ever done the St. George I with him. We only focused on that leading up to the Pan Am's. So it was a very short six, eight months to try to get him in the ring. You know, I think in December I took him to I two or when of your grand Prix. So I mean, he really didn't have time in the ring and uh, and he didn't really want me, we won a grand Prix in the special, you know, 71%. Um, and he did a great job, but it was still, he was very green last year.

Sarah (00:37:58):
So it was a push, it was a push. Um, and I think more time the summer has been great. I've been able to focus on, you know, the quality and the, um, relaxation, all of the basics of the work as the horse was the job. Now, you know, the six months was really tough to teach them all of the new stuff. Um, something so simple, like, you know, she was such a super small tour horse who knew X was halt, you know, every time at halt so all of a sudden it's no X we've got to keep doing something. So it's the little things like that. Just typical green mistakes. Uh, uh, so I am very excited to have another year. Um, I've been able to do a lot of homework over the summer and I think, um, the horse and I are only better for it with some more time. So I, you know, I know a lot of people and I, a lot of my good friends and colleagues, you know, some horses aged out, you know, obviously keeping horses down healthy and going for another year. Sometimes it's quite a tricky thing. Um, so I feel for all those people, but I'm not going to lie inside. I was secret cheer for the worldwide pandemic.

Natasha (00:39:08):
Yeah. I completely understand. Yeah, absolutely. All right. So, um, you've achieved so much in your career. Do you have a favorite accomplishment? Like, was it last Oh, 2019 with that gold? Or was there something else like what's your most favorite?

Sarah (00:39:28):
I mean, I think the two things that always stand out is, you know, starting my own business, like design alone now and doing all of that and really making something that really felt like my own. Um, because as much as I'm a rider and competitor, I'm almost, I'm also a business woman, so that's definitely a huge accomplishment and also being so successful in the business was definitely the accomplishment for me. And then, yeah, I mean, I don't think I can say anything else besides winning the goal at pan AMS and just standing up there on that podium, you know, like every little girl dreams with the American flag going up and I was, Oh my God, I'm gonna cry.

Natasha (00:40:11):
Yeah, yeah,

Sarah (00:40:13):
Yeah. I think mine was crying. Everybody was crying. My mom was able to be there. Um, full family were there, so it was so sweet. I was definitely a very memorable moment and you know, it's very addicting. So I want to recreate that feeling as many times again, as I possibly can.

Sarah (00:40:34):
Good on you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So what about, what's a low that you've had like a horse got sick oranges or you just had a horrible test. You got eliminated, you came dead last. It was just a bad, bad, bad day in the office.

Sarah (00:40:51):
You know, I think, um, this was a very big turning point in me as a person. Oh, she wouldn't cry just thinking about it. Um, so, um, last year in November of 2019, Jerry passed away, um,

Natasha (00:41:12):
Oh no.

Sarah (00:41:14):
Yeah, it was a really surprise. He was a very healthy young guy, only 67. Um, and obviously, you know, yeah. He, you know, believed in me so much and, um, yeah, and a mentor and a father figure and a business mentor, just such a smart human being that loved the horses. Um, yeah, we had lots of big goals. Um, so that was hard. He died about, uh, just a very sudden heart attack that nobody knew about. So, um, you know, it made me kind of, it makes everybody when you lose somebody close and unfortunately not, unfortunately I really haven't lost too many people that are very close to me. So that was a good wake up call, you know, to what's important. And I have to say that since then, you know, I have all these goals and I'm very goal oriented, business oriented, the super competitive probably to a fault. Um, and when something like that happens and you see not just how it affects me, I mean, I'm super selfish to be so upset about it. Cause this whole family, you know, dealing with so much other stuff,

Natasha (00:42:28):

Natasha (00:42:31):
No that was not the ending of that story, I thought he's going to be there in 21 and we're having a big,

Sarah (00:42:36):
I know it was, it was great that he could be there for the Pan Am's. Um, and it was so special because at his funeral, you know, this man, he created such huge business. I mean he had thousands of employees and giant businesses that I can't even begin to explain comprehend. And his favorite thing, everybody talked about where the horses, his at his funeral was him and the USCF jacket with the medal, the gold medal around his neck. So.

Natasha (00:43:06):
Aw bless.

Sarah (00:43:07):
I know, I know. So it was really cute that, um, through all of his accomplishments and all of his big houses and fancy cars, right.

Natasha (00:43:18):
He was a great guy.

Sarah (00:43:18):
Yeah. So that really woke me up and uh, you know, I will always ride for Jerry and his family amazing and super supportive. And you know, we're doing this for him, we're gonna continue this for him. Um, but yeah, it makes you wake up and go, you know, family has a very important, there are things outside of the horses as much as that's very hard to say because I probably should, you know, practice what I preach a little bit more. But it definitely, since that has happened, I've learned, you know, that I need to do things in moderation and take time for myself and my family and my friends and boyfriend and dogs and all of that. And just make sure that, you know, you enjoy every moment because you don't know.

Sarah (00:44:04):
I mean, that man was so it's such a same, such a loss to the horse community who was really involved in, um, starting to start programs to help the youth in dressage. You know, we really was, uh, always talking about how can we give back, how can we help a sport? Um, so you know, such a, such a loss for so many reasons. Um, but yeah, that would probably be one of the lowest low, you know, right. When I'm you leaving for Florida to go in and train to do it without him was really past.

Natasha (00:44:36):
Oh, absolutely. Oh yeah. Thank you so much for sharing and yes. Thank you so much for sharing a little bit more about what a great, amazing superstar he was.

Sarah (00:44:45):
Yeah, yeah. So, so we will continue to do it for him. And he's left behind a great wife and family and grandson and his whole extended family. I mean, they all have kept this ranch going and, um, they've, you know, expressed how behind me they are and they're super excited and very proud of the horses that we have and the goals we still have to accomplish. So I feel very fortunate that they, uh, that they knew how much it meant to him. So that's why if you guys ever see on my social media, it's always hashtag ride for Jerry.

Natasha (00:45:20):
Oh, brilliant. That is super, super, super. Yeah. Very, very cool. Okay. So, um, where to from here, I guess, what is it about dressage that you love? Why, why you mentioned, you know, that, that whole kind of what you, you should think about moderation and think about other things in life and that there is other things besides riding horses. So, um, you clearly don't ride dressage just for the Olympic's. Like ther's I think you kind of go up to six months. Um, so what is, what is that for you?

Speaker 2 (00:45:58):
You know, so growing up, I think I, I just loved the animals, you know, so at the end of the day, if I couldn't ride, I would still want to do something with the animals. Like I love the horses and the beings there are, they are, you know, and I think we all can relate to the fact that, you know, the horses are so judgment. They don't judge us. Right. They're judgment free. Um, they always start every day, most like most of the time, maybe a mare here and there, but mostly with the clean slate, you know, and I, I really truly believe that the horses are always trying to be good. I really don't believe there's a bad horse out there. And so just at the end of the day, if you take away the sport and the competitiveness and my personal human goals, I just love riding.

Sarah (00:46:43):
You know? So whatever sport that meant, it's just such an amazing feeling to have a communication, like some kind of, it's like almost like the sixth sense with a horse and be able to communicate with this animal that doesn't speak your language. You know, you only have very minimal body language, you know, feel things back on them and you can teach them to do all these crazy things that are very hard for them. And then the horse, somehow, for some reason, likes to do that for you. So I think just at the end of the day, just, I love being a horseman and I love taking any horse, you know, back when I had all those horses and training, and I was known for taking any shape, size breed, you know, problem. And we would take it and we work with it. So it was so fun for me to see a horse progress.

Sarah (00:47:33):
And it didn't matter, you know, whether it's dressage or it was jumping, what forever, whatever reason, so fun to see a horse get it. Um, and so I, I love it just for the horses themselves are amazing animals. Um, you know, I just love spending time with them. And I think riding them is such a privilege. Um, and then, you know, if you go back in the day, I, of course, was an adrenaline junkie, you know, with the eventing, I love to go fast and I loved to jump high. Um, and, but then I think as I got older and my field got more refined, I got a different adrenaline rush or a high, when my horse gives me an amazing extended trot or I get those flying changes or my young horse canters straight down the long side. So I think that's the thing.

Sarah (00:48:20):
One of the things, you know, I think most of us who ride dressage are that a triple plus personality, you know, everything must be perfect. We must get everything done. Um, and I think that's what turns us all onto this is nobody's gotten a hundred percent, nobody ever. So it's one of those sports where you can keep trying and you can keep getting better and you never are good at it. So you can be the best and you still haven't, you're still not in a hundred percent the best of the mind. So I mean, what a cool sport to keep, you can always be better. Um, and so I think between that to feed my competitive, you know, a plus personality along with the fact that I just love animals and love the horses themselves. I mean, I think I'm the luckiest person on earth to call this my job. I mean, this is my job. I'm crazy as that.

Natasha (00:49:11):
I love it. You mentioned the sound, uh, Taipei kind of personality. Are you a perfectionist and are you like OCD in all areas of your life or just in the riding?

Speaker 2 (00:49:23):
No confessions. Um, so when it comes to the barn and my horses, totally, I am, I am weirdly particular about where things are put in the tack room, how things get put away, you know, the order things get done with the horses, the order I ride them with, you know, when I'm riding, I have to keep remembering, reminding myself that I'm on an animal and they might not be feeling great that day because I do want it to be perfect. Um, and, and with certain tasks, I completely am super type a, but I'm also the person that has a pile of clean laundry and a pile of dirty laundry. I'm also the person that sometimes the closet looks like a tornado hit it. So I think I have this like funky balance of, you know, yes I am, but I'm also kind of a laid back person. So, um, so I have both sides of me for sure.

Natasha (00:50:21):
I love it. What does a typical day look like?

Sarah (00:50:25):
So I generally, um, every day with Apple, so I only live about a mile away from the farm. So, um, and I have, we have four dogs, so all the dogs come every day to the barn. Um, and I start every day with my number one. So Apple's the first horse every day. Um, and then I, I generally ride five to seven, eight horses, uh, total a day. I always have a couple really nice sales horses. And I have my younger horses that I'm bringing along that I ride as well. And, and currently I only have one client who I don't even know if I could call her a client, but she has a client and, and a partner and a dear friend who's been with me. She was a client when I had all my crazy amount of horses and she is one that, um, I wanted to stay with the whole time.

Sarah (00:51:14):
She was a very good friend as well, super amateur rider. Really shouldn't be an amateur. She's very good at rides as well as most professionals. So I teach her every day. So that, that feeds my teaching passion. Um, and I generally spend from, you know, 7:00 AM until probably three to 4:00 PM at the farm, you know, riding Apple gets out twice a day. Um, so I ride them in the morning and then he goes for a hack again in the afternoon. Most of my horses are on that program. Um, and then all of my horses spend as many hours as they feel like, uh, a lot of them like stay all day. Other horses have time limits, but they all go out in a very big grass field. So I coming from my eventing days, I'm a big believer in turnout. I'm a big believer in cross training.

Sarah (00:52:03):
So all my horses go on the trail. And when I say the trail, not just like tack ones around me arena, they go up and down the mountains through our water, through the creeks and streams. Um, and they love it. And I think it's such a good thing for them. Um, so we, we make sure that they also live a good horse life. Um, so most of my day spent there and then I, I also then either work out, um, you know, now with COVID things have changed a little bit. I used to have, uh, a great, uh, personal trainer that specializes just in equestrian that would come to my farm. Um, now everything's done over an app. Um, so I either do some something physical, you know, at home or at the farm, uh, outside of the horses. Um, and then, uh, I dunno, binge-watched 90 day fiance, you know, I'm kind of a normal person in the evenings

Natasha (00:52:54):
We don't have 90 day fiance. That sounds like a really good show.

Sarah (00:52:59):
You have, so you have amazing. Yes, you are. It's the, I, I, one of the things that I need as a human cause I, my brain is always going, I'm always thinking I need brainless TV. So 90 days is what I would call brainless TV.

Natasha (00:53:20):
I absolutely love it. That's awesome. Um, let me just speak about, I loved how you said the dressage horses go hacking and it's hacking it's through the water and it's up and down. And you said Apple gets ridden in the morning and hacking the afternoon. Does every horse get ridden twice a day, six days a week? Like, can you speak a little bit more about

Sarah (00:53:39):
It just, it just depends on the time of year, the show schedule, their work schedule. You know, I have always believed like motion is lotion. So horses in the wild walk, constantly miles and miles and miles. So all of my physios and my vets, and I think my vet sometimes cringes when he hears what I'm doing, but he can't complain. Cause see, my horses are all very happy and sound. Um, but I believe the more movement the better. So, um, it's definitely the second rides are not hard rides. You know, the younger horses, that's a little hard on the mind wise, so they sometimes will just spend more time out in the field instead. Um, but you know, with Apple, it's an, it was a lot of the other competition horses. It's a sneaky way. It's two up there conditioning again, back from my eventing days.

Sarah (00:54:29):
I, all my horses would get schooled in the morning and then we would do gallop and trots sets in the afternoon. So it, it's not hard on their legs, but it's a cardio conditioning. So in my mind, you know, going on a four 30, 45 minute walk on a loose rein, you know, that's normally not mentally hard on a horse, they actually ended up really enjoying it. Um, so it just kind of, again, depends on time of year and conditioning schedule. Um, sometimes I'll let the horses down and then they only go out once a day and they mostly are out on the turnout. Um, but during the high competition twice a day, it's, it's great. Cause I find them, the horses are never tight and stiff the next day. And they really mentally are happy. I mean, I don't know many horses that want to be in their box.

Natasha (00:55:15):
Absolutely. And do you have a walker as well or is it like, do you ever have a goal that comes from Europe that can't go outside? It just runs every time.

Sarah (00:55:24):
Um, you know, only a few times have I had that. It's amazing. Most of my horses end up and I think because they can go out and they're next to each other. Um, and I think they, they end up really liking it out there. Um, I do have my own personal horses, random and you know, some days he'll start screaming after 30 minutes and he wants to be brought in and other days he wants to stay out and you can't let me catch him to bring him in. So like a personal thing with the horses, but I find most of them, if they're in a regular program, I don't really see any of them running around wildly out there. They're just kind of happy to hang out cause it's part of their routine. So we have different ways of introducing them to the turnout, you know, smaller ones first. And we put them without with the Friesian is our token version is Tommy influenced for most of those horses and then they end up liking it. Yes.

Natasha (00:56:19):
Yep. That's awesome. Brilliant. Okay. Do you have any sponsors you'd like to mention?

Sarah (00:56:25):
I have a lot of sponsors that have been with me for a long time. Um, I have N 2 Saddlery who was probably, I think one of my first ever sponsors period, man just started their company and, um, they are super saddle company, all my horses go in them. So that's N 2 Saddlery. Um, I also work closely with a company called Halter Ego, who all my horses go in their bridles and I am always dressed in their super cute outfits from head to toe. Um, I have a super boot sponsor, um, with really comfortable, super stylish. I know if anybody follows me on social media, I'm definitely a fashion-y stuff. So I, I love the matching matchy bling. All my kids have their own brida saddles. And then I have matching boots to go with that horse. So Kingsley is my boot sponsor that makes all my fun and sometimes crazy riding boots that I have. Um, and then my, you know,

Natasha (00:57:25):
Sorry, stop before you go, you change your boots, every horse. So not at home because that would be a little excessive, so not at home. Um, but definitely at shows I have outfits and boots that match each and every horse. So I have, um, my young horse goes and burgundies, so the saddle is burgundy and my boots are burgundy. Um, you know, Apple is of course red, white, and blue. And then I have a mirror that goes in, uh, and like pearls. So all of that is kind of Pearl matching. So I'm definitely a fashionista when it comes to

Natasha (00:58:05):
I have huge matchy envy right now. That is amazing.

Sarah (00:58:10):
It's fun. It's fun. I have to reel it in every once in a while. Cause my coaches are very traditional, so, so I can only be so much, but uh, it's all done very classy, but I do enjoy throwing a little bit,

Natasha (00:58:24):
No matter what you wear, it's all good, then I'll work on that. Awesome. So sorry. I had to just unpack that, but yeah.

Sarah (00:58:37):
Yeah. That's, that's great. So, and also to go along with my saddles, I have a great, um, stirrup that I use that helps with my knee and hip, especially when I was riding so many horses, MDC Stirrups. And then I think one of the most important things that I've learned, um, you know, about the horses is they are athletes too. So their nutrition is so important. Um, so I feed my horses triple crown grain and they all are on a platinum performance, which platinum performance creates a, a huge line of different supplements. So I can tailor it for each course and they're all veterinary approved. It's, it's quite an amazing product line for that. Um, and then I have again to go with my matching. My horses goes in a dressage sport boots. Um, and I underneath my really fancy riding boots I have my Foot Huggy Socks because again on the side when I'm not in riding clothes, I generally nobody would be able to guess I'm at the barn all day. I do love my designer clothes and I like my pedicures and manicures so these socks actually make your pedicures last longer in your boots is of course. So that's the foot huggy socks that Instagram. So my Instagram handle is at S L dressage and my Facebook is just my name, Sarah Lockman. And you can also find me. We have two websites, one that's for the farm, the beautiful farm. I've talked about that we're at here in Marietta, California, and that's www.summitfarm.com and my own personal website where you can follow along with what I'm doing with each horse and look for the very interesting, cool sales horses that we bring in on a regular basis. It's S L dressage.com.

Natasha (01:00:31):
Thank you so much. We will have all of that in the show notes so people can get those links if I didn't get it just then, but that is amazing. Anything else you'd like to finish with?

Sarah (01:00:41):
No, you know, thank you so much for having me on the show and you know, if you or anyone else has any other questions in da, tell me and feel free to reach out and email to me. I love getting people's questions, whether it's training questions, I'm available for the virtual lessons now that everybody's doing. So I've been tied a lot of Pixeo and Pixium lessons. And, um, after 2021, I will be open for booking clinics as well. So, um, it's shows, I love to tell everybody a little bit more about me. I know everybody sees me out in the ring and on video, but uh, this way you can see a little bit more about the real Sarah.

Natasha (01:01:20):
Yeah, that's amazing. Thank you so much for sharing your journey. I have no doubt. Um, people might look at you and if I didn't know your story go, everything worked out. Um, it's all, you know, isn't that so lucky for Sarah, everything goes well for Sarah, but Sarah I've never met someone I think that has worked so, so hard with such a clear vision and such a clear idea of, well, this it's not just, I want to get there. I want to get there. I want to get there. You kept doing the, and how am I going to get there? And you worked and worked and worked on, on plans and you backed yourself time and time and time after again. And, um, I'm a little bit of a believer in homeschooling. So I'm loving to hear that you are homeschooled because I see a lot of homeschoolers have that drive, have that tenacity, have that persistence, um, all those really great character traits that you know, to me, if you want a recipe for success, or you want a guarantee of success, it's those kinds of things. If you're persistent, committed, dedicated clear tt's guaranteed. Um, so I love your living, breathing example of that. And I just really want to honor you congratulate you congratulate everyone associated with you. And, um, I just think you're a complete rockstar. So thank you so much.

Sarah (01:02:32):
Oh, well thank you so much. I think the one thing, one of the things I pride myself on is, you know, no one will be able to outwork me. So I think that has helped me in my career and my childhood up until now. I think everybody would say Sarah is a hard worker. So, you know, for what I lack in some of the other areas, I will always make up for it by working really hard. And you know, one of the things, a little quote I like to live by as you know, you live the life you choose. So from the beginning, from when I was 10, I said, this is going to be my life.

Sarah (01:03:04):
I want this picture. So this little girl from a very less than family in the middle of nowhere in a cow town in Nevada, so I'm going to do it. So, um, I always say that to myself, you live the life you choose. So, so we are going to keep moving forward. I think there's exciting things to come. I so appreciate your kind words. And I will be over here working hard and trying to make it to the next goal.

Natasha (01:03:29):
Yeah. I cannot wait to give you a call and congratulate you and we'll have just, uh, just, uh, celebrate every drink too. Um, cause I know that's in your future. I'm a hundred percent guaranteed on that. So I'm so excited.

Sarah (01:03:42):
Thank you so much

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
Everyone will have gotten so much out of that. So thank you so much.

Sarah (01:03:49):
Thank you so much for having me. It was great to having this chat.

Natasha (01:03:52):
Awesome. See you.

Natasha (01:03:54):
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