Podcast Episode 34: Emma Weinert | Hard Work & Big Ambitions

In this podcast, we speak with Emma Weinert. Emma is an Australian International Grand Prix rider and trainer working with Steffan and Shannon Peters in the US. We speak with Emma on living overseas, starting her training business, working with Olympians and her future ambitions. To keep up with her journey, you can follow Emma on Instagram @emma_weinert.

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Natasha (00:00):

Oh, welcome to this Your Riding Success episode with the brilliant Emma Weinert. Emma is the Australian grand Prix dressage rider and trainer based in the U S working with Olympic medalist, Stephen and Shannon Peters. Emma had achieved some impressive career highlights, including United States Dressage Federation, gold and silver medals. As a true animal lover, Emma has an empathetic way of working with her horses and places. Great importance on the enjoyment of their daily work whilst maintaining the highest level of standards as required for the FEI competition arena, whose approach resonates with her pupils in clinics, both in the USA and internationally. I had an amazing time having your chat to Emma to share her story.

Natasha (00:54):

Welcome to the Your Riding success podcast. My name is the Natasha Althoff and I'm a Grand Prix Dressage Rider from Australia, author of three books and a leading online trainer of riders all around the world, wanting to take their riding to the next level. I'm also a shopaholic mother of two amazing children and obsessed with helping riders to be all they can be. Each week, I'm going to be bringing you stories of inspiration, ideas, and strategies of how to make real progress in your writing and give you actionable advice on overcoming riding fear and anxiety so you can take your riding to the next level and be the rider you dream to be. So let's get into today's episode.


Natasha (01:17):

That's cool. All right, let's get started. How did it all begin? How I know where you are, which is this magical, wonderful place, but how did it start and what was the, what's the cliff notes of the boulders or the big goals that got you to where you are today?


Emma (01:34):

Um, from the very beginning or?


Natasha (01:36):

Yeah lots of people are like, they want to know, Oh, she just rode from the age of two years old and it must have been easy to have a pony or how did it all start?


Emma (01:53):

Um, I just was born horse obsessed, like pretty much all of this. I'm not from a horsey family. Um, and yeah, I was just always obsessed with horses and I would, you know, pretend to be a horse riding around like all of that. And so we ended up moving to five acres when I was five. Um, and my parents got me a pony. Um, it was a four year old, just started totally appropriate. I had no idea. My parents had no idea, the poor things, the hard way, not the easy, but I love Dan. I fell off every day and it was, you know, just nothing formal, just like most of us or the kids, you know, with a paddock in the back and the horse and off we go and somehow he survived. Um, and then I used to do like some hacking, like not at a very high level, um, but just, you know, show horses and that sort of, I always was drawn to the prettiness of that kind of thing. Um, and then my horse is that like my pony died, unfortunately had collic and he died. And then my other ones that I had, he got an injury. And then I was kind of out of horses, out of horses like that for awhile. And that was when I was about 14 and then at 17 we moved to the city. Um, and I went to the Royal Easter show and walked through the stables there. I was like, and so I ended up getting like a $2,000, like old thoroughbred at Centennial Park and like plunked around on him when I was 17.


Natasha (03:41):
Can I just say $2000 was a lot of money back then. Like I remember the first time I spent, I think it was $4000 and I couldn’t believe horses were horses courses, this much money.

Emma 03:56):

I know. Yeah, no vet check, like check, like the whole, the whole thing. But I was getting, um, like my first real dressage horse, which was a full year old warmblood, um, from Northern warmblood stud and I had him in Centennial park and that was also a bit of an adventure. Um, and then sort of started getting more into it, more serious, doing it at Centennial park. Then I would start riding a little bit for people and working a little bit like that. Um, and then I thought, I wonder if I could do this, you know, like as a career I was like, you know, makeup artist just sort of getting into that sort of area. And I just didn't like it. Um, so I was like, you know, I'd rather walk horses for $5 an hour and do that. So I really started from the bottom. I did obviously my parents helped me get horses and stuff like that. So, um, they helped me a lot. Um, and then, you know, skipping forward a lot, you know, had a string of horses, just always young ones though, never trained on the bottom, which I still do now. And, um, that's something that I'm really passionate about, um, and, and really believe in. Um, and so we got my friend and I napped Fox in, we decided that if we're in the stable going, you know, watching YouTube videos at Stephen Peters, and we really got a lot out of watching his videos, I just, it really made sense. And we're like, I wonder if he would do clinic, you know, I think I was 23 or 24.I think there's 24. I love it. She was, she was in her twenties.


Natasha (05:46):

I love it when you're in your twenties, you're like, why not? Let's just call him.


Emma (05:54):

Oh, there's no way he's ever going to come out here. You know? And so she emailed him and she's like he said yes. So I still remember that, like at midnight she texts me saying he said yes, and I was like, and then it was like how are we going to pay for Steffan Peters to come out. Well, we need to do a master class, of course. And we need to, so then we did this whole big thing at SIEC and sold a thousand tickets to this whole thing. Um, anyway, um, I rode with him for the week before, and that was kind of it. Yeah. It was a hard time for me actually, because I never planned to leave Australia and I never wanted to leave Australia ever. And I was like, I'm just going to get as good as I can get here. And that's my choice. That's what I was going to do. And then he came out and I was like, the, it was just, it just clicked with me and it made so much sense and it was so beautiful that riding style. Very much the horse was light-sensitive. And I was like, this completely makes sense to me. And I sort of had this whole big thing of, you know, either quit. I'm either going to quit.

Natasha (07:03):

And that’s how strong it was. I have to do this. Now I know how good you can do it, I have to do it like that or I'm not going to do it at all.

Emma (07:15):

So that was, weird time.


Natasha (07:18):

Um, absolutely. It's huge. And, and it's not just, okay, this is what's right for my riding. I know I should do this. You said you don't leave. You probably had friends and family and everything going on.


Emma (07:37):

Like, I still am homesick. I don’t regret what I did and I love it, but yeah. And I feel, you know, that I'm always feeling pulled back home. Um, but yeah, it's, but I'm, I feel like this is home as well. Well, so, um, yeah, so anyway, I took that four-year old that I had, that was Ben, I think, 12 and he was, you know, schooling all the Grand Prix, um, and brought him over and, uh, ended up getting a couple of other horses, um, and that, which was Velvet and Sidan who I still have now. Um, yeah. And then I was only going to come for a year or two, and I'm still here. It'll be 12 years next year.


Natasha (08:28):

And was it just, obviously you couldn't just go, I'm going to go live there for the rest of my life. So was that just a softener for your brain to go it's just a year. Anyone can do a year and then honestly, the mental game where I'm like, I'll just tell myself, honestly, you know, because I learned so much in a week, I'm like, Oh, I'll totally be totally sorted. And then I'll have not stupid optimism. It's like, Oh yeah, totally nailing it.

Emma (09:03):

But that's the awesome thing about this sport is that you never, you never stop learning and you always feel like there's always light bulb moments, which is such an awesome thing. Yeah. And it's a great environment to be around like all of those riders and it's like, I'm, uh, Stephen and Shannon's barn is about 75 horses and a bunch of Grand Prix riders. So it's, it's not just my experience that I get, we get experience.

Emma (09:37):

Yeah, totally. It's like, Oh, I've got this weird issue. You know, I had a weight issue like that. So yeah, it's hard. It's hard to leave that, that all,


Natasha (09:45):

It sounds like the most amazing environment. And I'm very much, you are the sum of your environment. And if you do want to go somewhere, you've never been before you have to be around the people that can lift you up and say, Hey, don't go that way. That's a really bad way. Like if you surround yourself with a lot of bad, like not even necessarily,


Natasha (10:18):

So if it's, if it's a non-conducive environment for you down. Absolutely. So that's kind of awesome. So what does life look like? You said you've got that horse that you brought over and two others that you still have. So they were all young. I think that's really cool for everyone listening, going, Oh my God, do I need $10 million dollars and buy all these ready-made Grand Prix horses, you can do it. So talk a little bit more about what that journey looks like, buying a young one and getting it all the way.

Emma (10:52):

Well, it's up and down for sure. But I really think, um, you know, it's not the fastest way. Maybe like the ideal scenario I think, is for riders to bring on their own horses and maybe be able to get on other horses that have experienced, but not necessarily buy those because I actually find, like I find it much more difficult riding other people's work, you know, like their training and mine because we make it our own and every rider has their own style, you know, and it's a little bit, you know, it can be the same general style, but we all have our own little style and our way, you know, so you can really make the horses how you like them to be. Um, and I think it's, you know, I really think that it's much more rewarding when you can compete and show your own work and your own training. Um, but yeah, like it's, it's tough. They're young, it's it's feels like it goes so slowly until they get to about six and then it's sort of, you know, really takes off do the same thing every day, which you pretty much are like laying the foundation and then, and then it starts to take off. And sometimes it's like really up and down and other times it's sort of more, more gradual, but, um, yeah, every horse is different. So I think it's a different journey for every horse then, um, yeah working on your weaknesses, um, I think you could, you know, when you do multiple horses, you start to find a pattern with your weaknesses and then you start to like, you know, right. I need to get those sorted out and it's fun. Yeah. It's really fun.

Natasha (12:39):

So what does a normal day look like for you? How does, how does it go?


Emma (12:50):

Um, generally speaking, so I start teaching at 6:30 AM, which is far too early, so I start at 6:30 AM and I pretty much go like back to back horses. I have, um, you know, I'm probably riding 50, 50 riding teaching. Um, so yeah, they're just staggered throughout the day back to back until, um, depending on how many right now I've got nine, I think, or soon to be nine. Um, so yeah, back-to-back um, until I'm done pretty much roughly eight to nine rides and eight to nine, nine lessons a day. No, no, nine horses under me riding some I'm training, like teaching, like, so, um, and then clinics, I go to clinic, like I teach clinics at the moment every second weekend. Um, yeah. And competing the other weekend, or how often do you.


Like last month was that, um, show, clinic, show clinic. And then I think next month is going to be the same, but for six weeks, but yeah, so that gets mentally, mentally challenging, not so much physically, but mentally challenging. Cause you just sort of like the competition's a little bit draining and then the clinics are draining as well, but you know, I totally love it, but it's yeah, it's busy, which is great. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, um, and do you, are you having lessons yourself on any of those days? Yeah, I, now I was in full training for years. One horse a day, so I'd have, you know, five lessons a week and I would, um, now I'm, you know, one lesson a week, maybe two, but in between that the Peters are always helping me, you know, like, you know, do this, do that. Yeah. So it's not such a formal lesson, but I have a formal once a week with someone who might eat the whole time. So yeah. Like I, you know, two would be ideal, it's just hard to fit in, fit in with so much you're trying to fit in.

Natasha (15:04):

Absolutely. Okay. What are your current competition horses and like your goals with them is, are we thinking 20, 21, 2024? Do you have any goals?


Emma (15:36):

Like I I'm, I'm sort of being a little bit of a funny spot right now with that. Um, you know, I was really gunning for it with velvet my LA my Grand Prix that I had my Grand Prix mare. Um, and I really, you know, had, you know, the high hopes for her and she got close. Um, she had, you know, every time we started, you know, selects came over to watch, then something would happen. Like it was just unlucky. Um, and I had to, I had decided to retire her once she got to think she was 16, she'd done five years of grand Prix and international grand Prix, which is a lot. Um, and she wouldn't have been able to go for another two. I don't think so. I decided to retire her while she was happy and healthy. I didn't want to push it. Um, but for me that was really difficult, um, doing that. It was like a difficult process and I kind of had to put myself in a different spot mentally. Like I don't have that as a goal now, you know, um, if I got close, I would do it for sure, but I have to not, I put so much into that. It was hard just being honest.

Natasha (16:39):

I really appreciate it.


Emma (16:42):

Um, yeah, it was, it was a challenging thing. So I just, you know, I love training and I want to compete at the highest level, but I'm not like I have to go to the Olympics or I'm never, you know, that's not like my driving force every day anymore representing my country. So I have The Dunn, who is, he was the four year old that I got when I first moved over here. Um, and he's been chronically unsound. He has terrible feet issues. Like he's just silly things. Um, so, and, you know, he was not the easiest horse to me. Um, he, I never thought he would be Grand Prix horse that, you know, I loved him and like, he, he wouldn't be, I wouldn't be out of selling. I can't sell him. He is what he is. And anyway, we kept going and sure enough, like here we are, he went, made it to the Grand Prix and then, you know, that was amazing. And we kept him sound. Um, and so I'm just doing that with him for, because you know, it's all good experience. Um, I think I'm going to, if he can do it, do the CDIs next month, which is kind of like a crazy thought too, that he's not like a team horse type. Yeah. Yeah. And he's a great horse, but he's not something that I'm like, okay, I'm going to go for that because he's not reliable to be honest. And then I have, um, I've got a six, seven year old mare that I ride the Nova Equestrian, which is a Swedish, um, brand, I guess he would say that they have sales horses. Um, and so they're very nicely allowed me the chance to develop this mare for the long term. Um, so I'm going to take her out for her first start this weekend.

Emma (18:29):

Actually. I love her. So, and I'm looking for a young horse. I haven't been able to find something that really, yeah. I really want to buy, I guess yet all the time I do need to get a youngster. Um, so if anyone knows where I'm at, so I'm kind of in like a funny transitional phase right now, but, um, yeah. That's sort of where I'm at. I absolutely need more coming through, but I need more, you know, I would like more coming through. Um, but yeah, it's just, it's been so hard with COVID and the whole, like I was looking last year and then, you know, COVID here. Yeah. It's been kind of difficult.

Natasha (19:20):

Can you guys leave America right now?

Emma (19:24):

No, well, no, not particularly. I can't go to Australia.

Natasha (19:31):

No, no, I can't. I can't leave five kilometers past my house. I have a five-kilometer radius.

Emma (19:35):

Where are you in Victoria? you can go if you quarantine, it changes all the time, but generally speaking, not, yeah.

Natasha (20:08):

Yeah. Okay. So you've been invited by a question in Australia to join the Australian team at international events in Europe and the US in normal pre cOVID times. How much do you travel to different competitions? Like, do you, do you plan your on the West Coast? Aren't you, do you go to Florida and do it? Isn't there, this insane thing in Florida? Have you ever been?


Natasha (20:37):

I haven't competed. I had, I took Velvet last year. Um, she was doing, I gave her and, you know, let her be with a friend that’s a para rider too. She was trying to go to Tokyo. Um, and that's all sort of being put on the back burner too. So I've gone to Florida, but I haven't competed in Florida. And I would like to, it's just, it's tough to go there. Like when you have a business, it's tough to leave for that long. And I haven't needed to yet, you know, I did before I always did for Australia. And I was like, I'd have to go to Europe rather than Florida, because we need to do European shows. Right. So I let that guide me, but we usually have plenty of CDIs here. Um, which is good. You know, we have a CDI season which starts January and it goes through til April or May, May I think. And they kind of D you know, back to back so we can, you know, we don't have to travel that much, which is lucky, obviously the next level. But yeah, if I had a bunch of really competitive horses, it would make sense for me to go. And, but not, not right now.


Natasha (21:54):

Okay. So, um, with everything in your horses, I always ask this question, cause I think most people look up to these amazing riders and go, Oh, well, they must've, it always works out for them and I'm always seeing the wins. And I'm always saying the great stuff. So before we get to the great stuff, what is like one of your real big lows where you and I, I don't know if I can keep going, or what's the point, or why am I doing this? Why am I just going round in circles? Like I said, my whole life.


Emma (22:25):

one of the big, like the big lows was with Velvet she ended up getting injured, um, you know, trying to go to the world games. And then the two Australian judges were over. And that was kind of like the first thing that I had to present her in front of. And that was the worst test that I've ever had in my life. Um, and so that was a really big, low for sure. Um, she got an injury there. Um, so that was, yeah, that was really disappointing. And, and retiring her was really hard too. She was, she was, you know, very sound horse, but she had tiny little blips at really bad times. Um, but that was for sure, low and hard to get over. And then I that's when I sort of decided, like, I changed my goal rather than cause I was like, every day is like going, you know, you know, I was so hungry for it. And I had, I had to stop that because it was taking the joy out of my riding with so much pressure. And I was like, like every day, um, everything that I did. So I, yeah, that was a big blow for me to transition. And then, um, that, that would be the biggest one for sure.


Natasha (23:45):

Absolutely. And it's something, I talked to my mindset coach around a lot because I have all these different goals and all these different areas. I'm Chinese, I'm a shiny stage. And we have to get to this point where I have to love that I'm going after the goal. But like, let's say if I was at the  Olympics and the night before the Olympics, if I woke up and went, I don't feel like riding tomorrow, but that could be okay. And he's gone when you get to that point in all your areas, then you are okay because you're not doing it to prove that you're not doing it because you spent all this time or because you spent all this money or because people would say things about you, he's gone when you can dissociate from all of that and just freaking rock on and do what gives you joy in that moment and tomorrow. And I'm like, that's what I want to get to. And so I'm just obsessed with finding joy. Like I'm freaking joyful talking to you right now. If I in a week and go, Oh, those podcasts, I can't keep doing them, but I think it's, I don’t have to keep doing them. I know we've totally gone on a tangent, but you know, people do, they do these things where they go, I don't use that. Don't freaking swear at me. Like where, where in my house it's like, we don't have to do it. Like, so we like have to like follow some laws, but besides that, we don't have to anything.


Emma (25:10):

No, I know. And because we put ourselves in this like mental prison almost of like, duh, I need to do this. I need to do that. It's like, actually you don't and I'm still happy doing what I do. Um, yeah. And then it's funny how that affects you because you actually end up better when that much then when you select squeeze the soap too hard and it flies off, you know, really challenging. And I worked at a sports psychologist too, cause I struggled with it for sure.Yeah. It helps me a lot, but it's still, it's not like, Oh, now I'm all great. It is absolutely up and down and some weeks easy. And you're like, yeah, this is so awesome. And then the next time you like, Oh, this is hard, but that's life that's any career. Any job.


Natasha (26:01):

Yep, yep, yep. Yeah. That is lost. And I think people go, no, no, no. I got a written guarantee that my life going to be easy. It's like, no worry,


Natasha (26:12):

rather than going, this is how my day is going to go and it's going to be great. And this, that, and the other, then you have expectation, which you can be let down by, you know, whereas if you just sort of go, okay, let's just see what happens, have a plan, but be very flexible plan.


Natasha (26:27):

It is that rigidity, not rigidity. Um, but that I'm holding two opposing thoughts of, I have to set goals and I have to create plans and I have to have direction, but I'm also totally dissociated from the outcome.

Emma (26:48):

Right. Right. And is there any wiggle room within that? Not that it just yet the whole Applecart, which is hard to do when you like us. Yeah. Cause you yeah. Driven and motivated. Hey, if it goes a little bit like this. Yeah.


Natasha (26:48):

Awesome. So then let's go to, what's your biggest high? What is your proudest moment? It might be a competition moment. It might be something you remember in the arena the first time I know for me, it's like the first time I understood how to ride without pulling on my hands. Like I had my hand and the influx of counter and I went, I don't even know how this is happening, but what is it?


Emma (27:20):

I think I've got a few of them. There's lots of really awesome moments like that. That obviously the biggest one was, um, with velvet when, um, we, we won the Grand Prix Special at one of the big CDIs here and yeah. And so that was like a massive moment for me. Um, hearing the answer I'm in a different country and yeah, it was. Yeah. Cause I never, like once you get up into the international Grand Prix, you kind of like go, I'm not going to win anymore. You know, on the way up you can win. But once in the Stephen is in there all the time, I got really well, but you have to be okay with that. It's not, you're not doing it. Um, and that's just, they, they push you anyway. We had a good, a good ride and a lucky day. And so that was like a blubbering mess. Yeah. It was really good. But honestly like also just recently getting Zidane to the Grnad Prix. I never like, yeah, that was a huge, that was probably equally as big because he was so challenging on every level and that's like, yeah, I'm, I'm really proud that we got each other there. I think that's, it's not giving up. I think that is the biggest thing. Um, not giving up and just, you can do so much more than what you think if you just are stubborn about that and you just keep chipping away. But also, you know, being next to second to Stephen is that was a huge moment for me as well. Um, you know, not ever thinking that, um, you know, like they say work so hard till your idols become your rivals type of thing. We had a little banter of, he's like, you know, if you beat me, you got to buy me dinner. And it's just like, that was kind of surreal moment to me as well. Um, trying to like getting close to doing that when I look up to him so much. So that there's lots of little, like, even when you just explain something to a baby horse and they get it, it's like, that's still such a massive high for me every day.

Natasha (29:32):

So yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, and they have to be little hive otherwise, how could you keep going? There has to be something that gives it meaning and gives it for. So you run your own business over there. How does that work? How, how do you like for people that are going, maybe I just want to go to another country and start a business. How, what do you do and how does it work?

Emma (29:58):

Well, I came over just, you know, right. Like being an adjister at the Peter's place, basically had my own horses and I didn't have a business. Like I was, you know, came in the worst person, basically at the whole stable and then learn bit by bit. And then the Peters asked me, they have, you know, obviously a big barn. Um, and they asked me a couple of years ago if I wanted to be a trainer there. Yeah. So they, uh, they asked me and I obviously said yes. Um, and then bit by bit, then I just started to grow my business. I had, I had a business at another stable cause I, you know, there was a, it was already too many trainers that are like, it's called a Royo Delmar, stable. Um, so it wasn't really, you know, room for anyone else type of thing. So I had a business somewhere else for a while. Um, but then I was gone so much with that. I had that kind of moment going, Oh, why am I here? Like, why am I even here? I might as well stay back home in Australia rather than doing this whole, like I'm never at around them. So I stopped it and um, went back over and then anyway. Yeah. So I didn't sort of come over going, yeah, that's what I'm going to do. It just sort of happened, um, in an organic way. Um, yeah. And yeah, I love it. I it's so cool to be able to travel around the country. Like last weekend I went to a place I've never been a state that I've never been before in the Midwest and like, you know, go around helping and being able to travel and see the country. It's really fun.

Natasha (31:49):

Very, very cool. Do you think that's your future for the rest of your life? Or do you have a plan for Australia at some point?


Emma (31:58):

I want to come home. Yeah. I want to come for sure. So I I'm doing this for now, but I absolutely will return to Australia for sure. Which part of Australia are you from? Sydney? Oh yeah. So that's where you'd want some home to yeah. Yeah. We have a place at home and all of that, but yeah, not yet, but at some point. Yeah, I love it.

Natasha (32:34):

Okay. So, um, what we talked about a little bit with all the little micro wins, but um, why are you a horse trainer? What does that give you?

Emma (32:46):

Oh, that's a big question. I've haven’t been asked that before. I, I just love the animal, you know, I think like all of this, I do it for the horses more than the sport. Um, I love that I can combine the sport with it and then also have a career out of it. But I like, I'm a huge animal lover in everyday life with everything. Um, so the fact that I can combine, you know, a career with animals, like originally I wanted to be a Vet and this and that, like, you know, a lot of us really, but, um, yeah. I just think the sport is so beautiful and it never loses. Like I never lose that, you know, the goosebumps and all that sort of stuff. When you see really be like it's art when it's a change in the highest manner. So yeah. That I want to do that. It's like, Oh, and it's such an awesome feeling, um, when you get it.So yeah, that, um, I'm always hungry for that feeling like it's a, it's an addiction really. Like you want that high and you chasing that all the time. It's yeah, I think it's beautiful and the partnership, but yeah, the horses always, and that's, you know, I base my training a lot around that to not, not to drive for my own goals so much, but to work with the horses, to achieve my goal in their time, you know, pushing beyond what they can do for me.

Natasha (34:03):

 Very cool. And you've mentioned that you mentioned it that at the start, when you first met Stephen, like this art themes coming up for you, are you very artistic? Are you a painter at all?

Emma (34:14):

My mom can that I can, but I played instruments and entities, a similar thing. Like I always, when I teach, liken it to like playing piano when you've got, you know, if you think about the right hand too much, the left hand doesn't do any kind of go into this in-between zone and not overthink and feel. Um, no, I wouldn't say I was very artsy, but I think the music helps me a lot in that, because it is quite similar to that. You almost, you playing an instrument, but the instrument is a horse.

Natasha (34:47):

Yeah. And so was it piano or did you play lots of different ones.

Emma (34:51):

Piano, flute, guitar, a little bit, a little bit of that piano was the main, yeah, the main thing

Natasha (34:03):

And do you find riding easy, like as you talked about riding is feel react. It's not feel, think, react that's too slow. Um, and I feel that's why some people are really good at it. Um, I don't have that in my body. I'm very analytical. I'm like, let me analyze that and think about the process and the systems that would work in accordance with that. Not, not for riding, but, um, yeah. Do you feel that you've got that as a characteristic that makes you very good at what you do?

Emma (35:39):

I didn't know. I would say no. I would say I wasn't a natural rider or a rider with particularly, you know, excellent feel or anything like that. You know, I think that's what makes people like Stephen so good. They just feel so correct. So timing is good, but I didn't learn it and I have developed it more. Um, and I think riding a lot of horses gives you that as well. So now I don't now I don't think about it so much. It is like that instant reaction, but that took years and using music I didn't have. Yeah. I love that.

Natasha (36:25):

The other thing I noticed in a lot of top riders is they have this perfectionistic streak. Um, uh, they're just, you know, obsessive over the little details, whereas I'm, I'm very much as darling she'll be right. Just put her out in the paddock. Um, do you think that, especially in you and then also modeling Stephen, is that a characteristic you see in the top, top, top?

Emma (36:51):

Absolutely. A hundred percent.You're killing me. I didn't have, yeah, yeah. To the point, remind me jelly. That's right. It's something I see. Yeah, me because Ozzie's like, we're casual and I love that, but it doesn't not be both, but he'll even sort his money every night so it's all facing the right direction. Like he told me that once and I was like, are you in the bottom of my purse? And I, I had to become more like that. And that rubbed off on me a lot. Not that I don't sort my money at all. And I want to, I don't want to become, you know, anal about everything. That's the only way you mentioned to detail to detail of the little things is vital. Absolutely vital.

Natasha (38:00):

And that's where I sit there and talk to my coach going, do I, cause I have to force myself almost to become something that I'm not in that arena. Be like, okay. Yeah, yeah. If my, if my saddle is not perfect or if the saddle blanket isn't sitting exactly what I'm going to sit there and change it because that's not who I am instinctually and it's, it is really interesting to go. Can you, can you get there without having that? And the more I do these talks and the more I analyze it, More I go I don’t think so.

Emma (38:32):

There’s varying degrees of it, but honestly it's the discipline and this is what they say all the time. Like discipline is the bridge between and goals. And I hated it too. I was like, you know, I don't, I don't want to be uptight one of those uptight people and I want to have fun and this and that, but I still do it. I'm like that. Like with the like definitely everything, I have a routine with everything and everything has to be when it comes to. Yeah. It has to be like that because I feel like I can feel everything differently because then it stores you on visually the attention to that. But I'm not like that in any other area of your life, it's not like that's become a different person. You do need to bring that personality to the riding if you want to perform at that level. Yeah. Because that is the diff difference between the seven, which is yeah, you can do it.

Natasha (39:39):

I love it. Alright. So do we have any advice for riders that are looking to, um, uh, like basically it's making a commitment to your riding above all else. That's why you did the move. Um, so for riders that are considering that, do you have any advice for them about moving or committing to your riding in general? Let’s say both cause they're both pretty full on things.


Emma (40:07):

The biggest piece of advice that I would say to riders that want to get better is investing in education. That would be thing, especially in Australia that I see now that I've gone sort of like, you know, just sort of had the one lesson a week and we're in our own class and that's kind of it. Um, but then we'll buy all the fancy gear and be decked out and all that. So that everything's matching. So then if you look at the amount of money that you spend on outfits, you'd be better off to buy one saddlepad, , one set of whatever, you know, whatever. And then like even still it's, you know, I'm like, okay, yeah, no, that's totally what I should do. And then I have a lesson and you know, Stepen’s saying, why don't you try that? And like, yeah. And you'll accelerate so much more than if you look the part that would be my biggest piece of advice, invest as much as he can into your education.Um, I don't think, you know, moving away isn't true and I don't want to encourage everyone to do that. I felt like I had to do that. Um, but I don't think it's necessary at all. Um, but, and now the awesome thing now with Ozzy's is that they, we have these virtual lessons now, so yeah, it has utilize it, you know, don't be shy to contact. Like what we did is think like, Oh, I can't train Stefan Peters and you know, whoever to ask how many people that you can have access to that that would change your riding. So sit in your little bubble, like, you know, reach out to people and you'll be surprised how much, you know, I know Lyndal Oatley, she's really good with that too. Like helping everyone. So yeah, really, you don't have to make, but you've got to be proactive about your education. And if you feel like you don't have a good fit, that would be the other thing, find a coach who brings out the best in you. And that isn't necessarily the person that's winning everything and the shows are winning. They're good coaches. Yeah, exactly. And even if you're like, well, I want to train with them and you feel like you, you know, you start riding with them. It doesn't feel like a good fit, find someone else because it has to be the right person for you and the way you learn and also how, what that brings out in you. You know, if you have someone that's really tough and you're naturally very, um, timid, not up tight, but like sort of concerned and worried and people pleasing. And then you have someone that's really, that can totally squash your riding so unique that you can relax with and then grow. It would also be a massive one.Um, it doesn't always need to be the popular person, but the person that you can develop yourself with in your education the most, yeah.

Natasha (43:03):

So many golden nuggets in there. That's awesome. Beautiful. Do you have any sponsors we need to mention?

Emma (43:11):

Um, I have my Aussie sponsor high form. They've been with me for a long time. Um, Custom Saddlery in the U S and Samshield, um, tug Klatt Hobbins grain. I don't really need to mention that, but yeah, I really appreciate them and it's very helpful to have them on board.

Natasha (43:36):

We will put them in the show notes. That's excellent. And if people want to find out more about you, where can they find you?

Emma (43:43):

They can find me everywhere. Really. I have my website, emmaweinert.com, um, Facebook, uh, Emma Winert Dressage and Instagram. And yeah. And if anyone wants any help, like don't be shy to message me and ask questions. Like I love helping people. And you know, I wish that I had that a little bit more when I was back there. So I love being able to give that to people. So yeah. If anyone just wants to reach out, that's absolutely no problem do not be shy.

Natasha (44:13):

I love it. You are absolutely extraordinary. I've had the best time chatting to you. Thank you so much for being so honest and vulnerable and sharing. You've given so much help already just in that conversation and thank you so much for telling people it's okay to call you. You're a real human and you weren't,


Emma (43:29):

What's really funny is that so many people like, do you know Tash, from Your Riding Success over here, I have to tell you that because you'd be like, what you, yeah. You guys are so popular over here. So Yamaha, I talked to her. Yeah. So, and that's so good that you guys are doing that because you help a lot of people.


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