Podcast Episode 27: Kasey Perry-Glass | Believing In Yourself

On today's podcast, we speak with Kasey Perry-Glass. Kasey is an American Dressage Rider and Olympian. She was apart of the USA team that won bronze at the 2016 Rio Olympics and at the 2018 World Equestrian Games. In this conversation, we chat with her about her story, the secrets to success and lots of advice. To keep up with her journey, you can follow Kasey on Instagram @kasey_perryglass.

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Natasha (00:00):

How, I'd love to know how it all began. How did it all begin? When did you, was it like, there's a dog, there's a cat and then the horse, I want a pony. How did the love of horses dot and the journey stop?

Kasey (00:12):

Yeah, it all started, um, with my mom, she, um, there's five girls and one boy in my family and I'm the youngest. And, um, she just needed a reason to kind of get out of the house and get the kids playing and, um, and keep us busy. So she bought a horse and took us all down to the local local barn and down the street. And, um, my sisters and I all started riding and, um, I was the only one that stuck with it. I, she got me a pony and, um, at that point I was really young around on five. And so I was just learning to ride doing Western stuff. And, um, and then I saw my mom jumping and I was like, Oh, I want to do that. And, um, so then it kind of trans translated into me doing, um, like just Hunter jumpers and, um, and learning to jump, um,

Natasha (01:14):

Yeah, So jumping and going fast. Is that what you love?

Kasey (01:19):

Um, at that point? Yeah, I was pretty into it and, um, I got into pony club and got me into three day eventing. And so I got hooked up with a trainer locally, Carmel Richards, who, um, was a huge advocate on, um, just all around horsemanship. And, um, so, you know, she really felt that our base, um, bringing up in the three day eventing was dressage and, um, our flatwork and, uh, so she brought in Gina Duran and who is a strictly dressage trainer. And, um, that's kind of how my love of dressage formed, um, after just taking a bunch of lessons and clinics with her to better my eventing side. And I kind of steered away from eventing after hitting about prelim level.

Natasha (02:16):

Okay. I wasn't that the jumps got bigger and bigger, or was it that you were winning after the dressage? Like, hang on. I should just stop here. How did it work?

Kasey (02:25):

It was a combination of all of it. Um, it jumps got started getting really big and a lot more conditioning and investing in that kind of side of things was needed. And focusing on school for me was big. And I also played, um, high school basketball and ran track and all that. So I've got a combination of sports I was dealing with, um, which took away from horses from a little bit, but, um, dressage always caught my interest because it was so, so technical. And so, so there was so much depth to it that, um, I just, I fell in love with it.

Natasha (03:07):

You were hooked. Okay. And, um, did you always have a goal to be an Olympian? Was that something you just were like, this is going to happen or did it evolve and kind of surprise you? How did like the take us back to you've transitioned from eventing to dressage I, you just, like, although I might just get to go and pray because that looks fun and skipping or how did it go?

Kasey (03:30):

Yeah, it was, um, it was more, I mean, I wish I could say from a very small age, I wanted to be an Olympic rider, but, you know, honestly I wasn't, I wasn't so focused on that cause I had so much in my life, um, other sports and, and, um, uh, possibly, uh, uh, family business going into the family business and in doing that kind of stuff. So it wasn't really my focus, I guess you would say. Um, but when I started doing, um, dressage, just dressage with Gina, um, I did have a horse at the time who, um, was out of, uh, Olympic, uh, three-day horse and, um, an eventing person. I was like, Gina. I was like, do you think I could, you know, make it to the Grand Prix with this horse? At that point, she was like, no, I'm pushing for it. And then, you know, once I graduate once through college and once I graduated through and went to college, uh, graduated from college, I, I put my, my whole heart into riding um, was either get a full time desk job or different kind of a job or go into professional riding. And, um

Natasha (04:49):

What did you do at university?

Kasey (04:52):

Um, I studied business entrepreneurship.

Natasha (04:55):

Okay. So

Kasey (04:56):

Do i remember anything about it. Absolutely not, but it was good to go. So.

Natasha (05:02):

I'm feeling like a lot of people listening that would be like, you know, young people going here. Do I do the uni thing or do I do the writing thing or how do I make it all work? So it sounds like you had, there was a family business and generic, do you study this and do this, or, and did you have the family like kind of pushed that way? And like I thinking he couldn't make a living out of horses or how.

Kasey (05:26):

  1. I, my, my family was really supportive and really whatever I wanted to do. Um, family businesses, a really big, uh, grocery business here. And, um, and so it was, um, it was, uh, it was a corporate job, so it was something that was pretty intense. And, um, but my once I got out of college, they, you know, they were very supportive of what I wanted to do. So I, I got lucky in that way. And, um, and yeah, so

Natasha (05:58):

Okay, so you've made the decision. All right. No, no desk job. I'm doing horses. What happens then now, do we think about Grand Prix and Olympics and that whole process?

Kasey (06:09):

Yeah, I was, um, I was training at that point with a gentlemen Christoph feelat from, uh, Washington and, um, I, he was, he was very, he was very intrigued by my riding and he was, he was,

Natasha (06:27):

I don't even know what the means.

Kasey (06:27):

He just really wanted to push me, which any good coach would, you know? And, um, and so he was like, you know, we really have to go to Europe and see if we can get you a top quality horse and, and start pushing you towards the Grand Prix. Cause at that point I never rode the Grand Prix. And so that's when, um, he was like, you know, you, if you really put your mind to it, we can do this. And you know, but he can get to the Olympics at some point. And, um, so he was, he was a big, um, influential person in my life.

Natasha (07:01):

What year was this?

Kasey (07:01):

I was, I would say 2013. no 2012.

Natasha (07:06):

Four years before. So they just had an Olympic year. What was 2012? Was that London?

Kasey (07:16):

I feel like my, I feel like my years of them just like flying by. I'm like, I keep thinking about how long I've had Doblay for. And I'm like, I had him for that long.

Natasha (07:25):

Wait till you get to my age. you'll still be like i'm 18 and everything is fine.

Kasey (07:31):

Yeah. So it was, yeah, I had him, um, I think about London Olympics. That's when we bought him.

Natasha (07:40):

So it really worked. This is fairytale. I love it. So your coach goes, we need to go to Europe and get your horse for the grand Prix, potentially an Olympics and you go, okay. Then it happens.

Kasey (07:55):

And at that point, when I took him to my first CDI, um, Debbie and Debbie McDonald and Ann Gribbin sat me down, they were like, you need to get like a, a grand Prix horse to ride the grand prix test. Cause you've never ran it before. So I bought this amazing horse that had such good quality and, and really could get me there, but I never rode a grand prix. This is not going to happen. But at that point, my, you know, my, again, my family has been so amazing. They've all believed in me, even though I had no idea.

Natasha (08:31):

It's better that way, it can't be that hard cause we don't really know. So,

Kasey (08:37):

So yeah. Then we ended up buying Scarlet who, um, at that point was, uh, pretty much a grand prix school master. And that was a year after we bought, we bought doublet. Um, and I rode through two seasons with her in the grand Prix and then, um, went to the pan games, selection would do play for the small tour and didn't make it. And that next year was the Olympics. And I wasn't training. I mean, doublet knew a lot of the grand Prix stuff, but I wasn't training it at all. Um, and.

Natasha (09:13):

This is such a cool story.

Kasey (09:16):

So Debbie, I was like, Debbie, can I please come and train with you? Like, I really, this is my goal. I really want to do this. And um, and she took me on and within I think six months we were showing at our first show in the grand Prix and, and looking like a good combination for the team. So it was like, it all happened really fast. And so.

Natasha (09:41):

I love it. So let's go back to when you didn't make the small tour, um, like how did you feel? How did you process, like, was there ever a moment of, Oh, I should just give up. I clearly like sometimes people let one failure define them and obviously that didn't happen, happen to you, but was there, I think for everybody, there's an, there's a point where it's like, Oh, and then we just get on with it. Can you talk us through how you went through that?

Kasey (10:07):

Yeah, it was, um, it was my first time in Europe and it, um, it was all big, um, learning curve for me. Um, and so going over overseas and not having my barrier there, not having my, not having a set system really, to, to rely on. Um, and we were there for quite a long time and, um, and at that point I was in between coaches. And so, you know, I really didn't set myself up for you.

Natasha (10:40):

That would have been really lonely.

Kasey (10:44):

And at that point I was playing, I was planning my wedding. There was just a lot going on. Um, but yeah, they, they pretty much put us all in a room. Um, all the people that were going to be selected and they put us all in a room and they told us who was on the team and who wasn't. And so it took every ounce of me not to cry. And it was just one of those very, it was heartbreaking for me. And, um, I didn't know, it was, you know, there's a bigger picture, you know, my dying at that point. No. So it was hard, but, um, you know, I've learned through everything that I really have to put my head down and just go just, and really try to, to, um, just not forget about it, but learn from it and learn how you can get past it.

Natasha (11:42):

Um, so what changed for you when you came home and you said I've just got to go, what, what did that look like? How did you change that?

Kasey (11:51):

Um, I just had a different goal in my head. I put a new goal in my head.

Natasha (11:55):

and what was the goal?

Kasey (11:57):

The Olympics.

Natasha (11:59):

And everyone's like, you can't do that. And you're like, this is my goal it's already happened.

Kasey (12:04):

And it was told, it was told to me so much it wasn't, it was an ambitious thing and it's not going to happen. You know, even, even through the year of 2016, it was, um, even though I, I shot up and like, I was pretty much like thought of, as on the team, there was so much pressure and there was so much behind the scene difficulties that were going on with myself and with do play and, and things that we were fighting through kind of as a partnership, not fighting through, but working through, um, you know, that put a lot of pressure on us. Um, and so, um, you know, Rio wasn't, wasn't my, um, peak performance. It was, it was supposed to be that's everything that you want it to be. The Olympics is your,

Natasha (12:57):

Your best.

Kasey (12:57):

Like your absolute best, but it wasn't for us. Um, so it was just, Rio was a lot that whole set up was a lot for us.

Natasha (13:10):

And how, um, you mentioned that you were getting married, what, a little bit before that, so. Do you, it riding everything, or do you understand that there's other parts and I mean, thank God I would have been, if I didn't get on the team, I'd be like, Oh, I'm getting married and I would've just gone, you know, it's good things in my life. It's OK. Um, have you always done that? Is there, do you feel you have a good balance of there's my riding career and there's my goals, but then there's other stuff that can ground you.

Kasey (13:41):

Yeah, I would, I would say my husband would say, no, there's not a balance, but no, it's, um, it was, we got married in the fall of 2015. Thank goodness we got married then, because I think if we would have waited until after the Olympics, that I'm telling me that whole year, put a toll on like my emotions, my husband's emotions, like everything, even after it, it took a while for kind of our lives to get back on track. Um, but yeah, I think that it, you know, it's still a work in progress, but I think that I'm such a, um, a work driven person, even when I'm tired, I'm like, no, the barn's not clean or like those horses, usually things have to be done like that. It's just a type a personality. And then, um, I think that I'm still working on trying to balance it. Um, but I love the fact that I grew up in a very family oriented family. So, um, I, it all, it all comes back to that. The only thing that's important, really, I mean, families, everything, and they're gonna, they're gonna be there for you when, uh, you know, you retire and everyone forgets about you, you know, or, you know, they're going to be there. So, um, so yeah, it's, it's definitely a balance and it's a work in progress, but it has to happen.

Natasha (15:04):

I love it. Do you think you've mentioned this type A personality and this obsessive kind of thing, do you think that's a big part in becoming a dressage Olympian because you asked thinking perfection and no one gets a hundred percent at the Olympics. Right. Do you think that plays a big part in it?

Kasey (15:21):

Yeah, I do. For sure. Um, and I think it's becoming more of a, more of a thing, I guess you can say. Um, because that's the horsemanship side of myself and like Laura and Adrian, you know, we and stuff. And like we, um, we really invest our type a personality into our horses, you know? Um, and they benefit from that. And, um, so I think it's definitely plays a big part of it. And you can't exhaust yourself to where you can't get when you get out of training or something like that, you kind of hit a crash because you're like, well, there's nothing else around, you know, like, what am I supposed to do now? It's just kind of training, which is hard for type a personalities. Cause they're like, well, we need to show, we need to, you know, do all this stuff. So yeah, it's, it's a tricky thing to balance, but it's definitely a big part of our sport.

Natasha (16:18):

Yeah. And can you unpack that a little bit? You said about the horsemanship, so people are going on yet, so you have to be obsessed with a straight center line and you know, all that kind of stuff in the training, but is there also, how much of your success is also, do you think on how you care for the horses and, um, do you do other things obviously besides just train them in the arena? What does kind of a training and the obsessive around everything stable care and everything look like for you?

Kasey (16:46):

Yeah. And, um, that's another thing I'm trying to balance right now. With Doublet Retired. Like I had such a program for doublet. Like he was, he had a very structured day, you know, all these therapies and things that we did for him. And they were, they're mainly done by me. And so, you know, I invested my time and my energy and my love into doublet And I think that same with Flores and with Adrian, like they're just, we're just very, um, intuitive people to where we want our horses to have a partnership with us outside of riding. Um, and I feel the same with, you know, the other horses that are coming up. I feel like, you know them so much better when you take the time to be a part of their massage appointments or chiropractic you, you learn their body and you can talk to your team about what benefits them training wise, instead of just going on and saying, I'm feeling this, which is what you need, but you also have to hear from your, your other team, your massage therapist, your chiropractic, your body workers, all those kinds of people. Um, so I'm, uh, I'm very apart of every aspect of my horses. Yeah. And it's exhausting, but you know, it's, it's worth it.

Natasha (18:10):

How many do you have?

Kasey (18:13):

Um, right now I have two others, um, following Doublet, um, and we're just adding in some more training horses and we have a baby and baby horse, not a baby human yet. Um, so, you know, we're trying to build a bigger pipeline, um, of horses coming.

Natasha (18:32):

But it is tricky as you said, like, if you have 10, like, everyone's like, Oh, I need my horses. And then the 10 horses and be like the 10 departments and 10 walkers in 10, that then becomes, you have to outsource and do that, especially feel personality. That's not going to be fun.

Kasey (18:53):

And that's another part like I have Megan who works for me and she is so involved in everything and I have to be gone for clinic or things like that. And they have to get this guy and stuff. At least I have someone there that is just as invested in them. off the horse, you know, that is just like me. Um, so it's, it's teamwork is a big thing for this.

Natasha (19:17):

Absolutely. Yep. So, um, what did the typical day look like for you? Do you also spend time, obviously a lot with the horses and there are so stuff you do in your own gym or your own exercise routine, what else is in your day?

Kasey (19:31):

Yeah, I, um, I just started doing my workouts at 6:00 AM because I figured that they would not get done. Like they won't get done if I wait until the end of the day. So, um, I've been doing my workouts in the morning, um, doing Pilates, um, something that we have, uh, here called orange theory, which is, uh, like a cardio strength training based class. Um, and I kind of switched the two up because, um, I need both of them. Um, and, and then I get to the barn around seven 30 and kind of help Megan finish stalls or buckets or feeding or whatever she's doing at that point. Um, and then we start the horses, um, whether I think a couple of them right now get some laser work done. Um, so we do some laser work before I get on. Um, and then I ride the horses until about, um, get done riding about one I would say in the afternoon. Um, and then we go through Megan and I go through and do stalls again. Um, so I still pick stalls.

Natasha (20:42):

I can imagine how clean I would be as well. We get personalities like.

Kasey (20:47):

Crazy. I'd go through the walls and they're like, yeah, it's great. I have people walking in the bar going, you feels like you could eat off this floor. And I'm like, it's just clean. I just like it cleaned. And then, so we go through and we finished stalls, um, again, and then, um, bring the horses in group 'em up. Cause the horses are out and turn out around four to five hours a day. Right. So they'd go out half the day, bring them in, grew them up. And then we feed around four and then, um, four or five and then usually I'll go home and stay home or I'll take, uh, one or two of Megan's night check nights around night around nine o'clock and, um, check them feed or do waters and feed them hay again.

Natasha (21:36):


Kasey (21:38):

You know, we get up and start it all over again.

Natasha (21:40):

That's it. And how long is, do you ride the horses for like, is it an hour and if they're walking, obviously there's walk periods either end.

Kasey (21:49):

Yeah I do. Um, I try to, I try not to go any longer in any training session than 45 minutes. Um, and normally I'll walk up about 10 minutes before, um, I start trot canter do some I'll do lateral work and, um, supplying work in the walk and then, um, I'll walk them after that, uh, 10 minutes after. Um, so I mean, it would probably with the walking, I'll probably add up to about an hour each horse. Um, yeah.

Natasha (22:22):

Perfect. Awesome. Okay. So let's go to rio. If you don't mind chatting about it, obviously it's your first Olympics and it doesn't, it's not like you've got years of big international competition experience to fall back on. So, talk us through that. And you mentioned that it wasn't your best performance, so yeah, sure.

Kasey (22:46):

Um, leading up to Rio, um, I had, um, we did comprehend France and I did really well at comphian in it. And I think I got close to an 80 and in the grand Prix and articles came out and they were like, he's like, who is this? And like, who is this horse? And like, it was crazy. And then right after comfy end, I ended up giving, do place teeth done in Europe. And his, I didn't know, the person was recommended through a friend of mine and, um, ended up over floating doublet teeth. So he had like, it was just, he couldn't keep his tongue in his mouth. Like he couldn't, he was, he was in pain. Like he just, he was in discomfort really. Um, so, um, we ended up, you know, trying to make them comfortable. We had someone else come in and see if there was something they can do bit wise to make it easier for him. Um, and then I ended up going to Rotterdam and having a horrible, horrible show. Um, and so somehow I still made it on the team, I think, cause I knew of his potential. So, um, and they were kind of hoping that things would kind of get back to normal. Um, and then within, I think a week, a week before a Rio, I don't cry when I'm riding. I'm like, I'm usually pretty stoic and like, I'll just get through it. And I just, I was on the mic with Debbie and I was like, I don't know how I'm going to do this. I just don't know how I'm going to be able to get through this. And like, not like, you know, humiliate myself a difficult time. Um, and then when we got to Rio, um, everyone traveled really well and doublet was actually going pretty good by that point. Um, and then made it through the grand prix and I mean, the Olympics in general are just amazing. It's just an honor to even be there. And um, so, um, we got through the opening ceremonies, which is amazing. I'm a big like athletic person, like athletics walking around the team USA house. I was like that person, like Lord Al you're looking at me like, who are they? That was awesome. Um, and I, um, ended up, uh, so we went through the grand Prix and that was good. Um, and that day they had like really big sand pits in front of the horses stalls. Um, and all the horses wanted to roll at them cause they were comfortable. And our vet was like, Nope, you can't do that just in case they get something and their eyes are like, you know, just in case. And Allie looked at me and she's like, I'm, I think that, I think the special was on, on like, uh, on a Friday, I think it was. And um, I was like, I'm going to let Rosie, um, roll in it on Friday after the special. And I'm like, no, you can't do that. Cause if you make the freestyle, he was like counting herself out. And I was like, Allie, you can't do that. Well, sure enough. she ended up getting into the freestyle over me, which I was so happy for her, but I got ended up getting really sick in Rio. And I don't know if there was just all the like stress or if it was the climate change or like what it was.

Natasha (26:43):

Or all of that combined.

Kasey (26:43):

Yeah. And so by the time the special came, I have like a really bad fever and I just, I couldn't breathe. I had like some nasal congestion when I just couldn't breathe. So all in all, it was a very difficult yeah. But we made it through and we got a bronze medal. So very, it was very, I was very grateful, new parts that have such a great team. I mean, we were all very close and um, so it was, it was a great experience. We all, um, cheered each other on and really wanted the best for each other.

Natasha (27:24):

that's so beautiful. Yeah. Okay. All right. So, um, did that, you came back from Rio and were you like, alright, 20, 20, what's the plan, get the whole thing I'm going to not be sick and like you obviously had things you wanted to solve.

Kasey (27:49):

And at that point I got home and um, I went through a little bit of like that post Olympic depression. So we took some time off. Um, and then, um, we ramped up again and I was kind of shooting for, um, our next goal was WEG, so yeah. Um, so we, we did 2017 and then we took some more time off after doing 2017. And I took, I think I took about six months off and I just never saw our holes. No, I would go. And like I do all of his walking and like, I, he pretty much didn't trot for six months. I was just like, I'm just gonna do awkward tread with you and I'm going to walk you and we're just going to have fun and be in the pasture and I'm just going to regroup and like get my stuff together. And it did me so good.

Natasha (28:45):

did you know It was going to be, did you already say it's six months or did you just go, I'm going to do this until I feel something else and it turned out that.

Kasey (28:54):

it was, no, I felt good, but like, like I was riding other horses, but I just felt like him and I, we went through so much that we just needed some time just to not, not have the pressure, not have, um, you know, just not have the workload,

Natasha (29:13):

um, did you have a coach to talk to whether it's like a life coach or a horse riding coach and talk that through that whole process or that was just you listening to you. U.

Kasey (29:24):

m, at that point it was just me listening to me. I was like, you know, it just, it just needed to happen. And, um, my dad is a psychologist and so I do a lot of talking with him, but you know, doublet just, we just needed again. We just needed that time. It was, it was cutting into the world of question games year and everyone thought I wasn't going to come back and they're like doublet blame. And like all this stuff, I'm like, no, he's fine. Like, let's just, you know, let me do it, let me work out this plan that I have in my own head. And, and don't worry, he'll come back and, um, ended up doing the last show in 2018 to get on for the Europe trip for, uh, for weg. And then he just like, we just excelled after that. It was like, I don't know. I just felt like we were in such a good Headspace. We were prepared and we were, um, just mentally on the game. And so, yeah, he ended up in the world of questioning games. We ended up at our peak performance.

Natasha (30:33):

that must have felt, of course, amazing. Cause you did an amazing performance, but then I said just to resolve that and to go, I got through the being in another place and being in another country and all that crap and I go, that's awesome. Congratulations. Um, so how did that end up? Because I think the freestyle that was, there was a sock line or something. What happened at weg

Kasey (30:56):

um, I was going to say tsunami, it wasn't a tsunami. It was a hurricane reasonably, it was a hurricane. And you know, we're in Florida all the time. So what hurricanes are and like process. And so they canceled everything. And by the time it came in, it was like a normal, a normal storm in Florida. And you're like 10, the freestyle.

Natasha (31:25):

So you'd qualified. You've already,

Kasey (31:28):

I think, I think I ended eight, eight and the specials. So yeah, I mean, I was, I was ready.

Natasha (31:37):

did you moren on that. I would have taken a couple of months to get over that I qualified and I,

Kasey (31:44):

I was just like, yeah, I was on cloud nine with the performance, which is good.

Natasha (31:52):

Yeah. I love it. And what I'd love is that you had all these, your whole horse riding career. You've had people say you can't do that. That won't happen. Can't do it. That why then with the six months off before work, what are you doing? She won't come back all this stuff and you just run your own race and do your own thing. And you're an absolute rockstar. I think you're amazing. That's awesome.

Kasey (32:15):

And like this last year, you know, going, um, yeah.

Natasha (32:19):

So tell me now. Yeah. After wrg, we think there's a 20, 20, we think 2020 is going to be normal. What happened? Like how did, how did you go through that?

Kasey (32:28):

It was, um, going into this year, I was like really gung ho you know, by the time we were going to start, you know, do Blake didn't need a whole lot of shows he's so he's this.

Speaker 1 (32:40):

And we knew what we're doing. And so by the time the show season was ending, everyone was like, like these news media more like, where are you? Where are you in left? It's so much pressure on people. And it's like, I just, you know, I just need some time to like, I want, I, we already have this plan and get in front of us and before I could even show things shut down. So, um, you know, and, and once that happened and then once the Olympics happen or the Olympics, I just had to kind of take the time to figure out if this is really what do I really want to push them another year. He goes through that process with him and, and, um, you know, hope that he, his body stays healthy. He's an older horse. He has some previous injuries and it's, it's one of those things where I had to look at my own goal and my own ambition and my own eco and green and line it up with my horse, you know, is it, is it worth it to push, push past that?

Speaker 1 (33:45):

And for me, it wasn't, he's already done everything for me. And I was like, Nope. And it was, it was hard to, for my parents. And I had to work through a little bit, there there's so much a part of this also, but they, they respect and trust me. And when I said it wasn't, it was, I didn't want to push them. And out of the year they were like, okay. So it was a really hard decision, but, um, it was worth it. Yeah. And that, thank you so much for being so open and just sharing that. Cause I think everyone in horses have these roller coasters. And, um, when we look at people from the outside, we just go so easy, just go to Rio and you go to the wag and you just do all this, but there is these ups and downs and they things that you don't know about.

Speaker 1 (34:32):

And like you said, this pressure of people that just want to run with one narrative or one story. And again, like I said, I just love that. You're like, I've got my plan and yeah, no one else's and yeah, within a, maybe ask for feedback and ask for help. And at the end of the day, it's my plan. I create it and I run it. Yeah. And it's really hard to do, especially with, um, you know, with federations, um, asking and all that kinda stuff. But the U S is really lucky to have such supportive people. And, um, I think that, uh, we're, we're S our culture in the U S is starting to think more of the horse. And, um, so I think that's a big, big aspect too, but it is not easy. And you really have to go through these emotional roller coasters, learn about our sport and learn about, you know, getting to the Olympics and, and what it takes.

Speaker 1 (35:27):

And, um, um, I, you know, I've been through a lot, but I'm also grateful for what I've been through because I'm that much more prepared for the next time I do it. And, um, you know, and, and it's taught me a lot of life lessons too, so it's, I can take these equestrian horse lessons and bring it to life and, um, yeah. And work through my life in a more positive way. Absolutely. Absolutely. Um, so as you said, there's pressure from every side and pressure from Federation pressure just from everyone. And I think anyone listening can understand, even if it's not a horse thing, that they have a plan, they have a, they have a goal, they have a thing. And then all these comes on top. How do you, because also you had never been to an Olympics before, so there has to be an element of, I don't know, everything and I don't, I have to take feedback on, and I have to, how do you decide what you listened to?

Speaker 1 (36:23):

Because you had people saying you couldn't do it. Thank God. You didn't listen to them. You had to listen to some people with some beats to actually get the results. So what's your filter system for that? Um, I think it's just my own gut and my own intuition, um, and, and really leaning on the people that share that same, um, shame, the same mindset as me and, um, and kind of taking all the options and the advice that I'm getting and, and formulating my own opinion on it. And it's, it's hard for me because I am a people pleaser. And I'm one of those people that would be like, yes, I'll do it. And even if I feel like it's wrong, I'm like it, I, it tears up. No, it's not one of those situations, these things, aren't these situations where I can, I can make a hard decision and walk away from it, feeling good about it.

Speaker 1 (37:19):

I'm like, I always feel a little bit not good to explain that because it's letting someone down at some point, you're going to let someone down all the time, learning to not care about that. And like learning to accept the fact that, you know, I'm a good person and I know I'm a good person and I'm just really trying to do what's best for my horse. And I have to live on that and say, that's, that's my base. And if you don't really like what I'm doing, you know, because it's not pleasing your, your agenda or your goal, then it's like, I don't know, it's he just have to go with your gut and you have to, you have to do what's right for your horse. Number one, that is so well said. That was Epic. Thank you so much, but just really clarifying that.

Speaker 1 (38:09):

And I hope everyone really listened to that cause that's awesome. Okay. So, um, the, do you ever get nervous before tests, do you love to show or you just woo. Um, how do you feel before? Um, I do get nervous. Um, I've gone through phases where I like mine. My way of getting nervous has changed over the years. I used to start by like, not getting nervous and like being able to be like, just go out and nail it. And then I went through a phase where the competition like, gearing that for it. And my nerves made me tired. So I was going into competition stealing, like I could take a nap. And then I got to a point where I was getting like nervous sickness. Like I was kind of feeling like I was going to throw up. Yeah. And then I started talking to, um, a sports coach and really figure all those emotions out and like figure out what, like, cause they could change at different shows.

Speaker 1 (39:12):

And so I had to figure out, figure out either to bring my excitement up for that show or down and try to find where I, I, I best compete at. And um, and then, um, yeah, and that was a big thing. And then what else? I was gonna say something else that I forgot. Um, yeah, I forgot. It'll come. It's fine. Um, awesome. OK. So, um, I love that adjustment of, um, energy. I know for me, I care too much. Like if it's a big show, I really, really care. So I just have to be like max does to test who can and do that. So it sounds like you sometimes have to do that, but sometimes the other way around. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And then, but half the time, most of the time when I get on, I'm usually pretty good. Like I can kind of, cause it's so natural that I usually can get my nerves away once I start actually writing and feeling the horse is doing a job.

Speaker 1 (40:17):

Yeah. Yeah. I love it. Okay. So do you have, um, a quote or a motto or something that you live by that just gives you, you know, that direction and that compass? Sure. Um, I, I actually just posted one on my Instagram. Um, I think it was yesterday or day before, but, um, it says pursue the goal that was once seen as impossible. Um, for some reason that hits home for me because it's like, I always go back to, to never limiting people, never, you know, pushing them down, never, um, or a horse, you know, it's like, you can, it's amazing what these horses can do as long as you believe in them, you know? And that sounds a little cheesy, but it's like, you just can't. These were like were just amazing. I mean, horses are amazing. Humans are amazing and you have to keep believing in yourself all aspects of life.

Speaker 1 (41:18):

I think that that can be squashed really easy. You know, you just kind of have to keep pushing through it and being like, as long as you're humble about it and you, you really, you know, you really care and, you know, you're rude to people and just kind of blowing people off. But like, I think that if you believe in yourself, if you really push for your goals and put the work in, uh, you can achieve anything. Um, you know, like I just feel like I, I, for the last 10 years, 10, 15, 20 years of my life, I have not stopped at any of my goals. And, uh, and I kind of get too driven on my goals, but no, it's it. I think you just have to have that mindset and always believing in what you want in your dream, in your life.

Speaker 1 (42:10):

Um, and your passion. I love it. So do you have, speaking of goals, are, do you have goals around 20, 22 or is it 2024 where the horse is at? What's the plan? Yeah, I have, um, I have mr. [inaudible] who, um, is my 13 year old. He's a little bit older. Um, but I would love to get him onto some nations cup teams or Pan-Am, or, you know, some kind of team in that way. Um, and then I have a younger, a younger one who's eight, and, um, I would love to shoot for 20, 24 or leg or, you know, she's, she's quality. She's really nice. So, um, I'm excited about her and then, um, you know, I really want to keep bringing these horses up and, um, and having consistent team horses, um, and my husband and I work, um, um, these horses in a way of, I want to have follow the horses, but also have a brain, you know, something that, you know, enjoys life, enjoys their work, um, is not stressed about things.

Speaker 1 (43:18):

And, um, so that's what he's really good, good at. He, um, he does a lot of the horsemanship breaking, working with problem horses. Um, so that's why we bought a baby and you're going to do all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he'll start him and break him. He's only the, our baby was only five months old, so baby, baby. Yeah. So we're, we're excited about him, but, um, we just want to keep building a pipeline and hopefully get some training horses in and, and get sponsors and, um, making some other owner's dream come true. Cause you know, it was a new thing for my parents. Yeah, absolutely. So, um, I absolutely love, I've got written here. Tell me more about tame blades. All my God. I'm just upset. Tell me what is team believe I'd love it. Yeah, it all started when my mom and my sisters and I, we all ran half marathons.

Speaker 1 (44:19):

And um, so when we all started getting into these races, my mom had to put us in a group, gave us, gave us a name which was team believe. And so that started like way we had to play. My mom is like she, she created a monster in me to be a believer, to be a dreamer, to be, you know, like she, she is just created that in me and, um, but she would rally us all and, and get us going and running and, and she's done, um, a half iron man and she's just a strong woman and we do all this as a family. And that's kind of another aspect of team believe is that we, we support each other. We believe in each other and we push each other. And um, like my sister, Holly was my groom all through do career all through do place career, sorry, my dogs, um, and went to Rio with me with the world question games with all the world cups.

Speaker 1 (45:26):

And, um, and so, um, um, so, and then my two other sisters went to Rio with me. Like they, they went and supported us at Rio and so it's just a big family affair and we all believe in each other and our goals and, um, yeah, I think has gotten now family goal, like I'm now going, Oh, I've got to set some family goals around that. That sounds amazing. That's right. Yeah. Okay. So do you, have you mentioned, um, do you have any sponsors or people that support you to help you achieve your goals and your dreams? Sure. I I'm right now, currently my parents and my grandparents are big sponsors, horseflies. Um, Dana and I are, are building up our business and, and, um, you know, hopefully getting some other training horses in and, and trying to build that side of our business. It was really hard to do that when, um, I was doing all the competing and going to Europe and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (46:31):

Cause you're gone for like two months. Um, so we're doing that and um, I mean I have a bunch of, um, product sponsors. Um, so they're just amazing. Like if, um, is a big one, triple crown, uh, platinum performance is, you know, these all, all my sponsors have been there from day one and, um, they also believed in us, which is, yeah. So, yeah, that's amazing. So how does someone get in contact with you if they're like? Oh, I would love to get my riders, never my owners, um, goals achieved. And what to talk to you about riding a horse or anything else? Do you also coach? Yes, I do. Um, and I also do a Skype lessons if they have a Skype or pics though. Um, those are, those are amazing, but, um, my Instagram, um, is a big way to get in contact with me and then, um, which is Casey Perry glass, um, and then Facebook, but we also have our website up, which is really fun.

Speaker 1 (47:34):

Um, and it's also going to start soon. They'll start, start showcasing, showcasing Dana's work. Also my husband. Yeah. A lot of fun for people to see. Um, he works, um, very similarly to Tristin, um, uh, with the TRT method who was amazing. Um, so yeah, our, um, our website, um, is Casey Perry glass, uh, dot com. And so yeah, that's, those are good ways. So all of that in the show notes, that's amazing. Anything else you'd like to share with us? I think that's it. Any, any advice to someone who's very young going? I want to go to the Olympics one day, but I don't even ride a horse yet. And everyone's telling me I can't and everyone's telling me I won't, what advice do you have? I would say just fine, kind of really good trainer and coach that believes in the process. And, um, that really understands the process and that really knows the, the whole guidelines and, and way to work yourself up.

Speaker 1 (48:39):

Um, and that believes in you, um, and to not listen to people that say you can't do something, I love it. I love it. And you've mentioned it, you've mentioned it throughout the whole chat, but I just want to re-instate it again, like the whole thing is to believe isn't it. Cause if you like it's Timberlake, but if you just believe that it's possible, no one else has to, as long as you do. Yeah, for sure. And you know, it's, it could be with any aspect of your life. I don't think it's just forces, whatever your dreams are. I really feel like putting them down on paper, telling someone, um, and just being humble about it and just put the work in. Yeah, love it. Thank you so much for this chat today. I have had the most fun. Thank you so much for sharing so much of you and, um, everyone will be able to contact you on Facebook and Instagram. Yeah. Thank you for having me. It was really fun.