Podcast Episode 25: Matt Harnacke | Chasing The Dream

In this podcast, we speak with Matt Harnacke. At just 23 years of age, Matt is an Australian Grand Prix dressage rider and model currently residing in the Netherlands. Matt also has a social media career and shares insight into his life on YouTube.

To keep up with his journey, you can follow Matt on Instagram @matt_harnacke. 

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Natasha (00:00:00):

Thank you so much for joining me today. Super pumped to have a chat.

Matt (00:00:05):

Yeah. Thank you for having me. I've I've kind of wanted to talk to you in a while cause you're like a fellow Aussie. So when, uh, when I heard about the opportunity, I was like, yeah, let's do it. That sounds really fun.

Natasha (00:00:15):

I love it. I love it. So let's start at the start. Um, what got you started with horses? How long have you been doing the horsey thing? What was your journey that's led you to this amazing place?

Matt (00:00:29):

Yeah, it's a bit strange. I mean, I, there was no one in my family that was riding and we lived in the city, so it was not really something that came naturally. I guess I, we had family, friends that own a riding school in Italy. I used to live in Italy when I was younger. I grew up there when I was born there and I lived there for 10 years. So in my early years I was on a riding school riding. I tried it the first time and I kind of got hooked. Um, and my brother was riding with me at the time. I have a twin brother. And then after that, it kind of just continued, but I, I guess I was lucky because for me like the passion stayed for my brother, it, it, it went away quite quick, but I think that was kind of a, my silver lining because, you know, having to pay for two horses and, uh, two boys riding it's quite expensive. So I think that was the only way it was going to happen was if my brother backed out, which he did. Um, but yeah, I did two or three years just riding out of riding school in Italy. It was a lot of fun that was kind of getting experience learning what I liked, what I didn't like. I was like extremely scared as well, growing up with horses when I was young. So I would, I used to ask, like my riding instructors could be like, bring the horse to this table with me. And, but I was eight, so I was quite small. And I was always, even though I was eight, I was always quite tall. So I never went to like the ponies. I was straightaway online, you know, something that was at least like 15 hands. And I found that super intimidating. So I was a boy. I was like, Oh my God, it's so scary. But even though I found it so scary, um, I was still so passionate and I still wanted to do it.

Natasha (00:02:01):


Matt (00:02:02):

And then we moved to Australia, um, and I kind of kept going. I wanted to keep riding. Uh, and I did. And then eventually, you know, that's kind of how the story goes from on you. Maybe Lisa holes first, at least a horse for a year. And then I bought my first, uh, my first off the track.

Natasha (00:02:19):

I love it.

Matt (00:02:21):

That's the track. Arbra Jack, um, who was the handful and then, uh, and then, yeah, it kind of progressed from there, but it's yeah, I, I wish it was more interesting story, but I literally just went to the riding school and I just kind of fell in love with the sport.

Natasha (00:02:35):

Yeah. I love it. And were you ever, like, was it always dressage or showing or was it, did you do the jumping thing at all?

Matt (00:02:44):

Yeah, I think it was kind of like, it was by default that I kind of went to dressage because I never had horses that could jump, but I mean, my first lease horse was like 27, so I couldn't jump him. And then Jack was, Oh my God, it was a miracle. He going off the legs. So was dogging the job any time soon. Um, and then I, I just kind of delved into dressage. And at first it was showing I was showing a Hunter hacks in Australia when I found that really fun. I, I think it was because it wasn't as structured as dressage. It was more like, you know, you go around, they tell you what to do when you go out and then you get a few chances. It's not like you do this whole like journey and stuff for one test and then it goes wrong. And then you're done. You can kind of redeem yourself a little with, uh, with showing, but it is T S I mean, like having to get them ready, having to get them ready for a show and all, and it's long days also showing. So I did that for a bit. And then I was at Canberra Royal with one of my horses. He was an off the track. He's Hary he's my second horse I ever brought and how he was kind of like, it sounds horrible to say, but he was like a fill up project tool. She was never a horse, like intended to have long term, but I wanted to have a horse whilst I was looking for a more competitive dressage horse. And I was like Canbera Royal. And it was his first ever show. Um, and I was crying on the phone to my parents cause I was like, I don't know what I'm doing with my life. Like I'm not having fun. And um, you know, it's just, I'm not clicking with this horse. And I feel like I'm giving up on these like dressage dreams I had. Um, and so then that day when I was at Camberwell and I was devastated, cause it had just gone horribly for me, that show, but to the point where like, I couldn't even do a circle cause he just lost it. Um, and, and it was that day that I found the ad for chase, which is the horse I have now he's in Australia warm blood.

Natasha (00:04:34):


Matt (00:04:35):

And I called the lady and I said, I don't care. Who's messaged you. I was like, it doesn't matter. I don't want to see any photos. I don't want to see any video. I said, I'm coming straight out because, um, every time I found a horse, they have a failed, failed, the vet check or somebody like balled them from underneath me. And so it'd been going on for a year and a half the struggle. Um, and sorry I stole it. I was like, I don't care about anything. You just booked me in just the soonest availability you have I'm coming down. And he was in the Southern Highlands. So it wasn't far, it was like a two or three hour drive, which was nothing because I'd been flying all over the place for horses, uh, prior to that. So, uh, we drove, I drove down there with my best friend and we went to see him. And at first I was really taken aback by size because I hadn't seen a horse of his side, uh, yet. Um, and I was like, okay, is this something that's going to be manageable? I even told her, I was like, do you fit this in a trailer? Like a truck, because it was advertised 18 hat tie, but he's not 18. And I think he's 17 three from what I measured him, but still is a big horse and it's quite solid. Um, and yeah, my first ride and I was, I straightaway loved him. I love this character and stuff. I could feel that he was, uh, he wasn't like the most straightforward horse, but it was really fun. So I kind of, I think I had two more rides and then after that I decided to, to purchase him, thanks to my parents, helping me out. Um,

Natasha (00:05:59):

That's awesome. I love your certainty though. Like I love it. It's like, I don't care. I'm going to make this happen. I'm getting this to happen.

Matt (00:06:08):

Yeah, because on it, he was advertised in horse deals and also online, um, an Australian Facebook page, I think it was like show horses or something. And the comments under him were just going crazy. And then there's this woman. We won't mention it. There's this woman in Australia that buys all of the like Hunter hacks. She buys everything and she has all the top ones, um, her name's house. Ah, so maybe Ithat rings a bell, um, she's very nice to get me wrong, but she buys everything and she had commented under him. Like I'm really interested in a lot. And I was like, that's why I just called. And I was like, listen, I don't care about anything. Just book me in to see this horse. Um, and yeah, I just really liked him from the get go. And then, uh, and then things kept going and it's been a huge journey ever since.

Natasha (00:06:51):

Yeah, absolutely huge. lets talk Cause through why suddenly the move to Europe and, and you brought him with you, didn't you?

Matt (00:07:00):

Yeah. So I was, I started modeling when I was 17. Um, and that became quite difficult with the, obviously my passion for horses. I had owned a chase, I think for like, sorry, I owned them for about six months. Um, and then I started modeling. I got scouted actually at our horse riding competition. It was the first time it was in the street, but I was 16 at the time. And I was like, look, I'm just not, I had body issues. I was not a confident person. I was like super, like trying to stay low key. And I was like, I'm not interested. And then I got scattered again by when I was 17 by Kathy ward. Um, she owns an agency in, uh, she used to own an agency. Now she's a part owner of an agency in Sydney called Sheikh management. So I got scattered the rider series. Um, I was actually standing with a group of friends. Um, there were all girls, obviously, because of riding is predominantly girls and Kathy comes up and she goes, hi girls. And I was like, Oh, I haven't even been acknowledged of my existence as a male. So I was like, she probably doesn't want to talk to me. And then she goes, no, it actually came to talk to you. Um, and I was like, okay, that's interesting. What have I done wrong? Um, and then she goes, yeah, we saw you at a few shows ready. And we were really interested in, uh, signing you. We are, we represent a modeling agency called chic. I think you should, like, we think you could have a lot of success. Um, and I was like, and all my friends obviously were like, egging me on you. Like you have to do it, like go, go ahead and do it, do it, do it. And I think it was kind of partially like them pushing me, my mother who was very Italian and like pushy. Um, and then also I felt a bit more confident in myself. So I was like, okay, let's give it a go. Let's give it a try. Um, so I went into the agency, I had my meeting hour. They basically said, you know, we, I understand this is not like your end goal, but we believe in you. And if you're willing to give it a try, we will give it a try too. So I started modeling. Like I booked, I booked my first job. I think it was like a couple of days after that. It was for Dolly magazine, which, for the people who aren't Australian, it's kind of like this young teenage girl magazine, it's very like 15 year old kind of target market. Um, and I did that and I had a lot of fun on the shoot, even though I was very nervous. Cause there was a video component of the shoe, which it's still cringe around the it's online still to this day. Um, but yeah, I kind of got the first, I kinda got the first feeling for, for everything. And then it kind of like I got a few more jobs and I started building my book and then I went to Europe for the first shoulder season I did. Um, and I was very lucky. I did a lot of very good shows and it kind of catapulted my career when I came back to Australia because if you perform well in Europe, Australia is like, Oh my God.

Natasha (00:09:47):

You're amazing

Matt (00:09:50):

Or if you input like a European warm blood. Everyone's like, Oh, but if you have this Same horse and it's Australian people like, Oh, just a matter of like, it's that kind of an quality? Um, so yeah, I did my first show season. I did some shows like I did Armani. I did Dolce Gabbana and I did extra. And um, I came back and I started booking really big campaigns here. Like I did the David Jones campaign. Uh, I did several of those and then I wasn't ambassador for Westfield, which was really exciting. So I was once season campaign for them. Uh, and then as I started doing more like more like Brad's is out where like I did like a cotton on campaign. I did two cotton on campaigns. Like it starts to become, uh, cool for me because I was like, okay, I first was wearing these brands and now I'm part of the campaign. I thought it was really cool. Um, but as my career kept going, I kind of felt this demand to be outside of Australia. Like, um, I was constantly being asked to go to the States. Um, so they were already are starting to get a feeling of like, Oh, you know, I'm traveling so much and I'm con spend a lot of time with my horses or my horse at the time. I only had one. Um, and I was already thinking, okay, what's going, gonna happen. And then I, I booked a direct campaign in New York for American Eagle. So they said, okay, if you're already going to go to the state, some of you already have a visa. Do you want to stay in LA for three months? And I was like, Oh God, Ah, Yeah. Okay. It's not a problem. And by then, I'd already done like five short seasons in Europe and I was traveling already. So it didn't feel like too much of a stretch to do. Um, and so it was only after doing all these really long trips. And after the first two years of full time modeling that I realized, okay, I think I calculated, I was only in Australia for two months throughout the whole year spread out also. And so I was like, okay, you know, I need to move, I need to move somewhere because I can't keep living out of my suitcase and my horse. He was in training with Brett Parbery. I'm like, I can't keep paying for brett.

Natasha (00:11:47):

and you want to ride your horse.

Matt (00:11:47):

not traveling alone. Yeah. And I want to have like a home base. Like I don't want to just keep traveling like job to job out of my suitcase.

Natasha (00:11:58):


Matt (00:11:58):

So then I decided to move to the Netherlands because I already had a few friends here. Um, and I really liked the country and it's great horse country, first thing, but all sorts, super central to Europe. So if you have to like go to the left or the right, it's super quick, it's like one hour you're in Italy, you're in Germany. You can go to France really easily, all super close. So I was like, okay. I think the Netherlands is the place for me. I'd already come here a lot of times for work. Um, it was only like the language barrier was a huge issue because being Italian, I had to already learn English when I came to Australia, like I had no idea how to speak. I only knew basic English and I knew how hard it was to like integrate yourself into a whole new culture. Uh, and, uh, and assimilate. And you know, I tried so hard to lose my Italian accent. Like things like that. Like it's, it's hard. And I was like, do I want to do it? But like, yeah,

Natasha (00:12:55):

yeah, exactly.

Matt (00:12:56):

Here, everyone speaks English. I just said, okay, let's do it. And then the next problem was, sorry, I take ages to answer a question.

Natasha (00:13:05):

It's Fantastic.

Matt (00:13:06):

But the next problem was, I was like, I've got this horse and I like him and I don't want to get rid of him. I was like, but I always said horses will never take away from my life because they can, they can in a hobby. Yeah. We're only going to add, I'm not going to miss out on like amazing opportunities because of horses. Like I see people that I went to the same shows for like 25 years. It's like being in like a jail cell, you just keep doing the same cycle. And I feel like the disrespect to Australia, but it's heightened there because you're on an Island and you're segregated, you know, you're just constantly seeing the same people doing the same thing. And I was like, okay, that's not what I envisioned, you know, my future to be. Yeah. So as you probably know, fly horses really expensive. Um, and at the time I wasn't in a position where I could afford to do that outright myself. Um, because I think for people who don't know, I think to fly a horse, um, especially if you're moving, you have to pay VAT as well. So it's around 45, 50,000 total, like for everything, including all the other costs of everything else. Um, so I was like, okay, how do I do this? And I had a, already a partnership with Longy, um, which was really good. So I kind of present pitched them this idea of like, if we can create really cool content around this move, they can become a sponsor of it. And in return they'll get, you know, great production and a little kind of a mini series on the journey.

Natasha (00:14:37):


Matt (00:14:37):

Um, and I was quite young at the time. I don't know it wasn't that long ago, but I think I was 19 or 20 and I negotiated with them a budget. And then,

Natasha (00:14:48):


Matt (00:14:48):

yeah, yeah, I was, I was actually, I was like, this is never going to work, but it's worth a try. And then he started to fall together and then I negotiated with the flight company as well, a D a deal that would work for them inside the budget. Um, and then I organized a film crew to, um, kind of follow the story and the journey and we just started filming and it went super smoothly. And, um, I think more than anything now, looking back, I'm so glad I have that to like, to rewatch it myself, because not only did it give you the opportunity to make the move in the first place, because financially I couldn't, it kind of, it was such a huge part of my life that went so quickly. And it's so nice to have that like filmed in such a nice way that I can just watch that back and relive it because in the moment I'm still you've had this too. Like sometimes it happens so quick and then the next thing happens and forget about it. And that's kind of how my life has always been. So taking a step back, sorry, taking a step back and being able to rewatch. It was something that I think I'll cherish kind of forever about that part of my life.

Natasha (00:15:56):

Yeah. And what I love again, I love when you get the normal roadblocks. So the normal knows that we all tend to get in life. You're just like, I'll find a way, I'll find a way. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how you approach that. I don't negotiate that, but I'll find a way.

Matt (00:16:10):

Yeah. You just gotta, like, I think once you start, everything else comes kind of naturally it's part of the system, but it's making that first step in trying, you know, and believing enough in yourself that you can put yourself out there and try it. And I think that's something that it took me a very long time to realize. I mean, I was, I had huge issues growing up with, uh, with the way I saw myself and with the way I felt my place in the world, but I do think modeling helped me through that. And it brought me to a place where I understood my worth and my value of what I brought firstly, as a person, but also as a business. Um, and then it kind of gives you, you know, it gives you a bit of like confidence behind what you do and how you present yourself and what you can ask for as well.

Natasha (00:16:54):

Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing. I love it. All right. So, um, you've done that and you've moved. What are your, what are you thinking? Are you thinking like, do you say good got your life in? I love how you said my riding adds to my life. So you've got writing goals that ad, and then you've got, I'm guessing your career goals with the modeling. Do you set goals around that? Or like I'm so naive around modeling. I've got no idea.

Matt (00:17:19):

No, no, no, no. It's, you know what, it's a really good question because I think it's much like horses. Like you can set all the goals you want, but it all goes wrong. And then you don't get to that goal. You get to another goal and that's the same with modeling because it's so unpredictable, you know, it's kind of like your hands are in someone else's future in a way you just kind of have to ride down and do the most you get. So I definitely had goals. Like I knew I wanted to go to Europe. I knew I wanted to do like work in the States. So in that sense, yes. Um, but so many things that came along with it were not part of the plan, but you know, you kind of make the most of it like that LA trip for three months, I hated it. But then there's so many good bits about it. So it's kind of like, it's kind of a, I guess it's kind of like with my horses, you know, uh, it's like with chase, I had all these goals of doing dressage and then he had a tumor in the roof and then he was out for a year cause he had surgery. So it's one of those things alike. And I was like, okay, well what can I do with this? Because I'm bored out of my brain and he's on box rest. And so I started teaching him trick training. Uh, I know, I knew yes. Addressed already from the Netherlands. He's very big into that. And he taught me a few little things. So I was like, okay, he's recovering. I can ride him. Let's just do some trick training and started doing that for fun. Cause I had nothing else to do. And I ended up really enjoying it and chase also really enjoyed it. And it's kind of like another element that added to what I was doing online as well. And it was something that was fun and interesting and made a point of difference of how I could start shooting photos on Instagram as well. So it was, you know, you can always make the most of a, of a not so great situation.

Natasha (00:18:55):

That's amazing. I love it. All right. So, um, firstly, I just, I've been thinking about the modeling, please tell me that you do have bad hair days. Like how does it feel to, you know,

Matt (00:19:08):

Yeah. I, I contacted, uh, the girl kind of like with this rage, this, and I said, cause I saw that it resume. I was like, Oh, I thought it was a podcast. Cause I, I literally have just been doing like stuff around the place. And then I was like, okay, well maybe we don't record it because I'm not very presentable.

Natasha (00:19:27):

Everyone listening, his hair still looks amazing. So I don't know.

Matt (00:19:31):

No it's just like scruffy, but um, yeah. Look, I think what modeling does is it get, cause you have no say in which photos gets used, you have notes say you're just like rag. So, um, when campaigns come out and your faces on a billboard or sort of boss or anything like that, it's always the worst photo. Like it's always the photo you think is the least appealing or you're like, why the hell would you pick that? Because they're looking at the garment, they're looking at like, you know, they're looking at a few different things. They're not looking at how you look. So, um, I've learned to accept the ugly because it doesn't matter. You know, it's kind of part of who you are and it's just, you'll see yourself one way. Someone else will see you as yourself another way. But you just start to realize that like, it just doesn't matter. Like you just don't care as much anymore. And I think that's something that the modeling also helped me with that, you know, you don't always have to be perfect. You don't always have to look good. Modeling is not about having to look good. It's about kind of conveying a message. And whether that's trying to sell a garment, trying to look a certain way, somebody told me once early in my career that modeling you kind of have to think about it as acting, but you just do like slow acting. So if you're in a, if you want to be like showing different expressions, like, you know, act pissed, act like you're better than everyone or act like you're shy. Like if things like that, it's something that you can translate them through the camera. So yeah. I don't know. I've I had my difficulties with modeling because you could only get the experience once you start working behind the camera. And so you're going to have those awkward moments where you're not comfortable, but it's definitely helped me in the long run with so many things.

Natasha (00:21:13):

Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. Okay. So what does a normal day look like for you now? Like how are you balancing everything that you want to do with everything you have to do and

Matt (00:21:23):

Like an hour with Corona or like now in general that's very different. Yeah.

Natasha (00:21:28):

Let's go. Hopefully normal. Like when all this craziness, um, comes down,

Matt (00:21:34):

Usually it's a lot of traveling. So I do whether it's modeling or whether it's events or whether it's me flying for productions I put on and stuff like that, I travel a lot and that's something I really enjoy. Um, so yeah, I day to day it's usually, if I'm not traveling, if I'm home, I'm probably filming YouTube videos, doing some shooting. Cause I try and have obviously regular content on my Instagram. Um, and then we have together, but yes, and now we have eight horses. So it's constant work, keeping that machine running, we have two dogs. Um, and then you're always, you know, doing meetings, doing plannings and working towards the future of different things, whether it's collections, whether it's other stuff, there's always something in the works. And I'm definitely the kind of person like I think life makes you think that you have to work all the time. Like, like it's like you live to work, but life is meant to be enjoyed, like meant to live to the first. And that's, I try and do that as much as I can to try and make my work, what I love. And I try to give myself the time to make the most out of the days I have in life. Like if you can make it happen for yourself, I would much rather be doing something like that.

Natasha (00:22:48):

Yeah, absolutely. And that's, that's mine Thai, as you said, I don't know how the whole world figures it out, but I'm obsessed with life is fun. Love, joy, excitement, adventure. And that's the point? How much of that? Can you cram me in amongst all the other stuff?

Matt (00:23:04):

Yeah, exactly. Because people maybe, maybe thinking of them all, like he's just running around doing videos done. Like it that's not even work. And it's like, well how, why would that be a complaint? Like how lucky am I to be able to have all this time to do all these things? Like, isn't it weird how people like switch it around like, Oh my God is not doing anything, which I am. But like, let's say people think that, but in reality it's like, it should be like, how lucky is he to have all this time to enjoy himself? But like, there's this like mentality that just constantly like this Christmas, are you constantly working and doing something that you don't want to do? It's just strange. I just don't get it. But I think it's because I've been like kind of like my own boss since I was 17, that I've kind of been able to, to pick how I want to live my life. Whether if you have a boss or you're in a kind of chain of command or in a company, it's kind of like you're following the company's goal.

Natasha (00:23:59):

Yeah. But I think it's also, I'd love to know what your parents were around this. Cause I know I had one parent that was like, you go to university, you go get a job and you go do that thing. And I had one parent that goes, just rock on, do just, you know, make it, make your life happen, however you want it to happen. And I definitely went to that path. Um, so did you kind of go rock on? We support you. We've got you even if it all ends up in a big mess that gave you that confidence.

Matt (00:24:28):

Yeah. I mean, my dad's an entrepreneur and he's got his own business. So already from there, I think that was a big step in the right direction in terms of where I am now. But he was always, uh, like believe in your dreams and you'll get that kind of person. My mom is also like that, but she is more like she's Italian, so she's very like feet on the ground, like yeah. But what's going to pay the bills kind of person. So yeah, she's very, very strict. Uh, but I guess that combination kind of gave me the realization that like, yeah, you can chase your dreams, but there has to also be able to

Natasha (00:25:00):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it. You've got that. Perfect. It's a rocking on, I love it. So, um, what did you think when you started? I mean, I know for me, I never planned to have a YouTube channel. My kids go to school nowadays and on their school handbook, there's like three kids in grade four and it says, what do you want to be when you grow up? And they say a YouTuber and I'm like, I don't even know what a utuber is. What is that

Matt (00:25:26):

A long time? Haven't you you've been on YouTube way longer than I,

Natasha (00:25:30):

I think I, I think, yeah, I mean, I have been on YouTube now. I'm going to say no on you. I've no idea if that's right. That's good. It sounds kind of. Right. Um, and it was more, I was doing business training and the business training said you should put some things on YouTube. So I was just a good girl and did what they said. And then a couple of years later, someone was like, Ooh, you've you should do more of that. Um, but I never set out to, to do that. Was it the same for you? You just went, I'm just going to put this up and you went, Oh, some people watch, maybe I should put out it. Wasn't more thought out than that.

Matt (00:26:06):

I think for me, I'm such a consumer view of myself that I always had like a special place for it because I really like it. I consume it on a daily basis. I definitely have people I follow and that I like. Um, but again, it came back to like me wanting to prove my horse. I was like, okay, well, if I'm putting on this production, like where am I going to put it? And so then I started to build my YouTube specifically for that. So that's where the incentive came from. And then I realized what an amazing community YouTube was building. I mean, I think people get to know you in a whole different level than Instagram. Um, and so I was like, okay, I want to go deeper into this. You know, I have more things I want to say and show, and I kind just kept going with it after that ever a sense, especially because after seeing the series, people were like, well, how are you? And then I was like, okay, well maybe there's a space for me to share my life on here as well. But it's a very different platform. Like it's very, very, very different than Instagram.

Natasha (00:27:00):

And do you have a preferred one or you just are aware of this is, this is content for this one and this is content for that one.

Matt (00:27:07):

They're so different. But I think, I think to tell a story, it's on a it's on YouTube. You can't do it any other way than YouTube. And you can always tell when people have a YouTube channel because their comments and their engagement is so much, it's so different to someone who plainly does Instagram. Um, so I think one benefits the other, but I do love the YouTube community. That's for sure. Yeah.

Natasha (00:27:29):

That's amazing. And do you, um, I don't know you, do you get, I get negative comments, always positive and negative. I'm not going to say either either. Um, do you read them, do you delve into that? I mean, that's just the part of the job

Matt (00:27:47):

I have to, I have to say I'm very lucky. I don't get that much, that many negative comments. Um, but with the ones that I do, like are kind of like half laugh with them and then there's ones that really get to me. Like for instance, if, for instance, if I hear like roll cur, like that word is banned from my YouTube, because it's like, that is the furthest thing from anything that could be taking place. And then I got extremely pissed off the word behind the bit, sorry, but behind the vertical, because I addressed it so many times about behind the vertical and I had my Olympic coach also addressing it and trying to like educate people. But to some extent, you know, the masses are all going to catch on at the same time. Um, and I, I ban that word too. So that's how I deal with it. You know, it was something that I really like. Don't like, if it's, if there's something extremely negative, you know, it's my channel. People can say what they want, but not, not to attack or try and make people think something other than the truth. So if I'm not comfortable with something, I just block it.

Natasha (00:28:53):

Yeah. Good on you. I get into this whole, what if I could just teach the world that they could share their opinion in a lovely way and assume best intentions of every other human on the planet. And then I realized, well, I don't think I'm going to get to that. So what are you going to do in the meantime?

Matt (00:29:10):

I mean, you might get close.

Natasha (00:29:14):

I love it.

Matt (00:29:17):

Do you think in the horse world it's more toxic than other sports?

Natasha (00:29:22):

I think so. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Because there's that, um, uh, that human element people have views on, should you be a vegan or should you follow the carnival diet? People have views on, you know, cause you talk about behind the bit, this is I'm don't think that we should have fits on the horses or saddles on the horses or even be riding. So you've got all of that crazy. And then the normal crazy.

Matt (00:29:46):

Yeah. It stopped sometimes like the European shows like the big ones, if you go to a nation's cup or something, there'll be like protesters out the front for like animal rights that stand there with signs and stuff. Like it's crazy. When I was in Paris with the Europeans, there was like a whole protest happening outside,

Natasha (00:30:02):

Terrifying, terrifying for our sport. I just go, Oh God, in a hundred years, will we even be able to rock?

Matt (00:30:08):

Yeah, it's tricky. But I feel like also the, I think it takes a special kind of person also to be into horses. And like, there's like a mild level of like diagnosable problems with them. Like they're like slightly psychotic, slightly like a egotistical, like Gina. Do you know what I mean? Like, there's like a horse person has like certain, certain character traits and it's fun. Absolutely everyone, but like the vast majority shares them. And that's why I think there's sort of like friction in this sport. We're all just a bit crazy.

Natasha (00:30:38):

I know. I love your word slightly. It's all good.

Matt (00:30:42):

I'm one of them, one of them, like I'm not excluding myself from the picture, like I'm from blue, the inclusiveness. Like, I'm definitely like, I've got my things that I'm definitely crazy, but I mean, it's also other people bringing Mick Fraser to the party that kind of adds to the fire.

Natasha (00:30:56):

I love it. I do go at least when not like I feel dog showing wood is, is another level of crazy. Not that I've ever done it, but based on what you say,

Matt (00:31:09):

It happens like docking the tails and like all that kind of stuff. Like one time at senior rural, there was this, uh, this pony and they put like this tiny, a really strong elastic band in the tail. And half the tail died. Like crazy stuff. It just frames you. It's great catching horses, like at shows like the beat. Like they will take them behind the float and just beat the crap out of them.

Natasha (00:31:32):

Yeah. Yeah.

Matt (00:31:33):

It's it's I don't know. I'm sure there's, you know, there's like dark sides, every sport, but in showing it's definitely kind of a it's very public is what I'm saying.

Natasha (00:31:44):

Alright. So I need to ask about your and delusion. I am in love. Tell us about, Oh my God. Oh my God. I, um, yeah, I saw the video of you on the beach. I didn't know it was you. I just went look at this. This is what I want. So tell me when you find him, what's your goals with him? Tell me everything.

Matt (00:32:08):

So I fell for the period when I would like a change, because I was like, you know, I've been riding for a while now. And I was like, you know, it's fun, but everything staying the same. I want a bit of a different challenge or something interesting. That makes a different point of point of difference in the situation. So I was looking into buying a loose title, um, at first, and then I quickly realized that loser tires are very short and they're very expensive. So I was like, okay, what's close to it. And then I came to the pure reason, actually found the more I looked into it, the more I resonated with the breed, myself and periods are a little prettier. So I started looking, I started looking in Spain but much like chase I'm so picky that it takes me ages to find a horse. So I think I was looking for about a year before I found him. Um, and I, he was the horse, but he's, he's the first course I saw that I was like, okay, I'm actually gonna fly out to see him because everything else I'd seen, I was like, it's just the one. It's not the one it's not good enough. It's not expressive enough. Um, but even then I was like, I want a six year old. I want a Bay of apiary. Uh, and then I bought a great three year old. So it's always kind of like that. You have to make some, like, you have to make some leeway for like, what comes your way. But the moment I saw him in Spain, I was like, Oh my God, this is the last, he was just so elegant and beautiful. And he stuck to sweet horse as well. He's Italian, but he's not. Uh, and you just, well, now he's got to go sign behavior. But at the time what they did is leased them in the stable, like in a stable block and in the mare they will block. And they were like, look, he's so chill because in Spanish or like blahzay like that. And then the man goes, look how quiet he is. And you just like, he bends down and he just like completely undercuts him in the balls. He's like, look, he's so quiet. He doesn't do anything. Okay. You don't have to do that again. But in Spain they have a different kind of culture. They're very, um, they're very hands on people. I always say though, the very, like the horseman, like they have a great feeling with the horse because a lot of them don't have you have hardly any education. I mean, when it comes to riding, but they're running grand prix. So even though it's not pretty, it is amazing that based on the feeling they get there. Um, but yeah, so, and, but like, for instance, when I went to try me was three and a half and they were riding him in a double bridle. Like just things like that, that you go, yeah, you go, what the hell is going on? But you just got to take it for how it is. That's us. That's how Spain is. You just take it.

Natasha (00:34:35):


Matt (00:34:35):

But the moment I saw him, I had the whole next day plan to go see all the horses in Spain. And I said to my agent, I said, just castle, everything, what we're doing, the vet check tomorrow. Um, and we did any past and I brought him straight away. And then, um, and then actually I was going to Australia for Christmas cause I bought him in sidebar. So I brought him to a friend of mine in Portugal. He's called Jarral, uh, Turrell. The pronunciation is not going to be good, but he's a, he rides for the Portuguese like team. Um, he's very, very good. He's got a beautiful, beautiful loser Tato, uh, Olympic horse. He went to train with like Charlotte and col and he's very, very talented. So I was like, okay, you take them for like two months until I'm back nine. And then when he's ready, I'll I'll take him. And then I was like, this is a good indication of like, you know, I've never had a stallion. He's a three year old. I don't know how he's going to be. Um, and then he was like, no, look, he's awesome. And I went and had a few license. I think I flew that two or three times. And then I took him. But yeah, I always like import like, Chase's my brother. I always refer to him like in the feelings why this is my brother, but employer's like my baby. Like, he's like, he's like, it's a little thing I want to take care of it. Nobody can speak badly about him. He's the best. He is absolutely nothing wrong. And all the time I'll be like brushing and then I just take a step back and I just like watch him because he's just so amazing. Like I just take a step back and I'm just saying all this creature that's in front of me. Um, so it was very special to be able to find that. And I feel like also in the, we just click, like, he, we have a very similar way of thinking, which is strange to say about a horse, but we just have a very similar personality and it just works so well when we ride and stuff, like I've never had a bad ride out on him. And I don't like chase. I mean, it was difficult sometimes, but like I've never been able to say about important. That's why I would chase. It's like this broad brotherly love where it's like,

Natasha (00:36:30):

Yeah, you have fights

Matt (00:36:33):

I'm on. Um, and that, but with importer, it's kinda like, it's just been, it just clicked straight away.

Natasha (00:36:40):

Oh, I'm so in love. That's just the ultimate story and he is amazing,

Matt (00:36:46):

But that's why I became such an advocate for the breed, because I was like, imagine if all the people could feel what I feel like when I'm, if I, when I'm like sitting on him and I'm doing like an extended trot down the dog. And I was like, imagine if people could feel this, like the power, but also like theories of this way of like with warmbloods, they'll go hot for like 10 minutes and you've got to work them out of it with periods. It's like, they'll have the initial reactions to the situation. And with one second, they're out of it. Like, they're just, they're so level headed, but then have that fire, like employer can be hot enough that like you can play with like some small steps in the Piaf, or you can really engage the hind leg with like, you know, if you ask him, so it's such nice combination to be able to have that enough. That's why I'm delving a little bit into breeding next year, because I am so in love with the breed. And I just wish people could feel what I feel

Natasha (00:37:38):

I'm with you. I'm with you. Yep. Oh, everyone just go out and buy one. Just go, go.

Matt (00:37:43):

I'm not with regions. Right? Like, that's your thing.

Natasha (00:37:46):

They do. I do miss. I have got a freezer now that's hot. Like you said, like quiet. I feel they're just so chill. I'm really, um, like quite lazy, quite like I'll just do stuff for food and that's what freedoms alive. So we get on super well. Um, but yeah, you do need, it was really hard to get, um, Arbor to grand prix. Cause there was just no go. There was just no movement.

Matt (00:38:12):

Well, I must say love for patients, loved them, but they do everyone always, especially here in the Netherlands. Cause it's like the home of the Friesian just so like

Natasha (00:38:21):

Yes. Yes. So this one that this braid sounds it's got everything the Friesian has plus that reaction, which just sounds good. Yeah.

Matt (00:38:31):

Maybe something that you can look, I mean, in Australia there's like no Reese. Um, they have some like and delusions and I guess the difference people sometimes don't know the difference between not to lose. And the theory is, uh, it's the same breed per se, but they have no papers. They're not like registered. No, you don't really know what like the background is from. But a pre is, you know, a hundred percent PR where you're coming from previous generations with papers. So I do think there is a slight, they differ slightly because the pre lines are more pure in the sense that like, you know, the background of everything whilst the delusions, especially in Spain, they got a bit mixed sometimes. So, you know, you don't really know exactly what you're getting. Um, so there is a bit of a difference when you cause a friends is there's no like the peer review shows is only all shows with papers. You will not find any and delusions on there. So it was, it even took me a while to realize that little difference. Cause I was like carrying delusion, why they call him? But like the name says it it's pulled out access by, which is like pure bred Spanish brewed kind of. Yeah. But maybe that's something that you can look into in the future to at least try

Natasha (00:39:46):

In a couple of years I will be calling up going, let's go shopping.

Matt (00:39:50):

Yeah. Oh, I'm up for it. I've got all the contacts now and looking so, and it's fun. Like you're going to Spain and what they all do. All the buyers when you're interested in a whole state ticket to launch or having started agree or you're getting drunk and then they're like, do you want the horse then? You're like, yeah,

Natasha (00:40:10):

Yeah, yeah. I'm with you like holiday buying horses. I don't know. It's all going to be fun. It's just yes, yes.

Matt (00:40:18):

Yeah. It's it's, it's amazing. I have to say though. I think because the market is so like everybody wants superior right now. I don't know why, why? I mean, I know why, but it's all of a sudden now that the price of PRS are so high, like you can't get a nice Pirie cheap and that's a bit sad, especially flack. Cause I'm even thinking in Europe, but I find it. Then I have to come to Australian dollars. I'm like, Holy crap, what a rip off. But it is an expensive. Yeah, it isn't expensive. I feel like the fusions in Australia super expensive. But if you come to the Netherlands, you can pick up a really good free ship for a really good price.

Natasha (00:40:52):

Yeah. I think, I think that's just the transport thing of people going. Well, I was only 20. We had to pay all this export import import costs. So we're all going to share in that. Yeah.

Matt (00:41:03):

And you guys also then have to pay for the, uh, the quarantining because I have to, I could, I could do differently leaving, but like for you guys, they have to be quarantined and you can't even do anything, but I could quarantine on my facility, which has made it so much easier. Yeah,

Natasha (00:41:19):

Yes. Yeah. Way better. All right. So, um, so what is your goal? Do you, do you have gone pre Olympics? I'm going to bring the, you say it so well, the PRA is what I want to call it. Yeah,

Matt (00:41:34):

Yeah, yeah. You can think frees up here. Yeah.

Natasha (00:41:37):

Yeah. So do you have goals like that? Or what, what is it? Is it more just, I, I, I set my own journey and whatever comes from that is, is cool. How do you do that?

Matt (00:41:49):

Yeah. I mean, I don't have Olympic goals. That's not telling my vision because I know the lifestyle you need to have to have that. And that doesn't really align with where I see my life going. But I definitely like with Emporio, I feel like I could get to grand Prix if, you know, if I get a kick up the ass and like do it right and uh, I'm with a new coach now. And I really, really like him. And I think we started working together to two months ago. And then I think the last lesson you told me was like, in four years, this horse will be grand pre he's. Like, there's no doubt about it. And it's when you hear stuff like that, you're like, you start to get so excited, but he's five now. And we started working on the half past, we started playing with the changes a little bit. He started to a bit of PF and had, so it's very promising. You're like, okay, well it's starting to, you know, and I don't do too much. Like we do. Like I think we only do, we do two days where it's like 45 minutes more practicing the high level stuff. And then the rest of the other three days, it's just basically like gymnastic work. Like I try and keep it quite simple for him because he is five. Like I don't need to do everything at once. Um, but he is getting there and I have, I have good people around me. I'm at a great facility. I'm at the stables here of my sponsor Kingsley. Um, but we have like an Aqua trainer. We have a Walker or we have like massage therapy. We have everything there. So I'm in an environment where I can definitely get to the best place in my mind to get to grand Prix. So am hoping in the future that that's installed for me.

Natasha (00:43:18):

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. No. It's already happened on facades, so yeah,

Matt (00:43:24):

I hope so though. I really hope so. So what about yourself? Where do you see your goals going? I feel like I've got so many questions for you. I need some of my own podcast with your, where do you envision? Cause you've built quite like an empire for yourself now of like everything through social media and stuff like that. But where do you envision that going?

Natasha (00:43:46):

I am. All I get out of bed to do is, um, help, help riders I'm obsessed with no one should feel fear in their writing. No one should feel that that whole disconnect and that whole, um, uh, I get so emotional about it. You know, how much, how we've been chatting, how much we love these horses. And we love the ridinge . And I, um, when I got backed off and got some fear in my writing that all got stripped away and suddenly the thing I adored, the thing that gave me love and joy and freedom was the thing that filled me with dread and hatred of myself. And why couldn't I do this? So I'm on a mission to cure that in the world and just to help riders, I just want to help them. You know, I love chatting to you. Like we're just people that are about fun, love, joy, happiness, life, like fricking limit. Um, and that's, that's, that's what I want to do. Just help people get that a little bit more.

Matt (00:44:42):

I want to give a big hats off to you because when it comes to the like YouTube questions, space, it's so freaking boring. Like there's honestly nobody's content that you can consume. And I mean, there's no one's content you can consume that is engaging in a new way. Like it's always everybody and trust me, I'm, I'm just as guilty of this, but we get so stuck in our world that everybody's doing the exact same thing, but like you've always had a point of difference in how you've been like a lot of coaches try not to give out their secrets because people need to pay for that. Right. But you've always put yourself out there and educating people, even if there's not as much of a turn as you could gone. And if it wasn't a lesson, if it was in a clinic and something like that, so that's a big hats off to you, but something that I've, because I've obviously none of you for awhile. Um, but something that I really started watching religiously is like your off the track season, I'm staying up to date on it. And I just, I really liked the way you're filming it. And I think because I've been involved in filming now a bit like the way you guys, um, filming it and like there is like, it's not just like pick up the hammer and go, you guys are really thinking about like, okay, like, we're gonna have to sit down with I'm in here. We're going to talk about this. We're going to show some background footage and the way you were able to kind of capture that story and bring us all along with it is so you to that space, like, it's kind of like, it's those systems that you have having more mainstream TV. Um, and I think that's a big hats off to you guys because that's really hard to do, like in the equestrian world to try and get something like that, where it's engaging and interesting and you're filming it in a different way rather than just like, I got eyes, like, what are you sad? I'll go off. But like, it's really hard. And it's not any disrespect to the people who are like, just at the beginning of the learning to get off their butt to you who you've been working for nine years to be able to get to that point. I think it's really good. I think you're doing a really good job.

Natasha (00:46:39):

Thank you. I appreciate that. And that's not me. I'm, I'm the person in front of the camera, but all that thinking is actually my husband, he's actually really creative in that space and he talks about it.

Matt (00:46:49):

I need to have like a little team sometimes to make it happen. And I feel a little bit bad about what I said and you know, not everything is boring. The question well, but I always ask this question to everybody because we are all four slobbers, but how much course content we actually consume on a daily basis. So everyone I asked, not much, you know what this at home watch saying like, Oh, there's this whole series I really love, unless you're really young, then you're quite catered for, you know, I would like the saddle club or like with the cartoons then you're quite catered for. But then as soon as you're passionate and 20, you're like, well, there's no space for me to sit and be entertained. So what do you watch anything in the horse world that like entertains you on this? In the sense of media?

Natasha (00:47:29):

No, I don't want, but don't even want to YouTube. Like I'm, I'm sorry I joined

Matt (00:47:34):

YouTube. They could be on TV for instance thing. Yeah. But what I'm trying to say is like, it's sad in a way, because we've got this great community, um, we all, you know, you could eat, there's no place like the hospital. You could post a photo of a horse every day. The horse community is like, yes, I love it. You know, if you post a photo of a soccer ball, everyday people can be like, we don't have a horse. People can't get enough. And so you've got a community that will never be satisfied. We'll always want more, but there's nothing that caters to that. And so when someone like you breaks through and you create something really interesting, I think there's something to applaud about that because it's a hard code to crack.

Natasha (00:48:12):

Awesome. Well, thank you. I really do appreciate it. And um, yeah. In terms of the thoroughbred thing, like I do, I question, I go, I keep saying to phil. I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to keep putting them out. I don't want to keep putting them out. It's like, just, just do you think we'll figure out, why did you want to put them out? Oh, just the, as you said, the sharing of opinions, do you should be doing it this way, this way, this way. And I'm like, yeah, there's a million different things I could do or should do, or Mike could do differently. Um, but I've never said, hi, I am the expert on thoroughbred retraining. I've I've retrained 500. This is my first one. And I come, uh, Lee, what a challenge. It is like, I've broken in a lot of horses then all like this. Cause it's the retraining bit. That's like, Hey, you got different triggers.

Matt (00:48:56):

Yeah, absolutely. But why you from doing what you want though?

Natasha (00:49:01):

Yeah, I do. I do. And I know it helps. So everything from my heart comes from, does it help? And then when I get people going, thank you. You've normalized it for me. You've made me feel better. This has helped me. That's what keeps me going. I go, okay, just got to listen to that bit.

Matt (00:49:18):

Yeah. And I think you should just, I think as much as you can follow your own instinct because you know, people always have to like to say like, no matter what, like people being like, Oh, you shouldn't have flown your horse. That's so cool. Oh, for God's sake. How do you think all these other people are going to the Olympics? Um, but yeah, you just gotta stay on your own track as long as you mean. Well, and you're doing your best, you know, we all make mistakes. I made some mistakes on cameras. We all do. I mean, imagine those people that are leaving comments, if their life was filmed, how many mistakes? And I guess that's why there's so much like screaming the whole school. Cause it's all a matter of opinion. There's no rule book that tells you how to do it like this. You won't do it like that. It's an independent kind of feeling. And so that will always be for the discussion. But yeah, I think it's like the more you continue to put your message out there, the more people move that like don't, they'll stop going for it. Because if they see someone that doesn't care, they're going to be like, Oh whatever, I've said it 10 times. I'm done now.

Natasha (00:50:16):

Yeah. Yeah. So they right. Awesome. Okay. So, um, do what you said very clearly. I love how clear you are about your life plan. You said, um, the Olympics, not a thing to me, cause I know how many hours and how much you have to do to dedicate to that. So where do you

Matt (00:50:33):

The money? I mean, the money that goes into that is crazy. I mean, I'd probably buy, I don't have to buy something else. You know? That's what I mean. Like it's just so much more to life. I mean, I'm going to be spending millions. Like I want to sit on a yard in the South of France. I want to be sweating a try on that's not me. That's not my lifestyle. I envisioned for myself.

Natasha (00:50:55):

I just go, alright, I'm a hundred million. That's about if I want to do everything. I just like more, more, more the goals yourself I do. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I've, I'm, I'm trying to put everything in place for 2024, because if it goes ahead, it's going to be in the Versailles, in the grounds of the Versailles palace, which is my favorite place in the whole world. But the gold and the bleeding now I just, I just have to be there. It just has to happen.

Matt (00:51:25):

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

Natasha (00:51:28):

We're going to try and put everything in place for that, but I'm the same as you. Yeah. But I'm not going to sacrifice, not going to say, see you kids, I'm not going to see you for three years. I'm not going to put, you know, we're not buying a house. Cause I put all the money into a horse there's rules and fences around it. So if it doesn't happen, I'm like, yeah. It's like, I put in what I was prepared to put in and it didn't come off. That's fine. I'm going to, it's not that be all end all.

Matt (00:51:54):

Yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely. And it's hard because sometimes, you know, you put it all in and then it's, it's also a bit political. So then you're like, I did everything. I did all the right steps. I got all the results I needed to get. It's still up there and you know, that's also very frustrating.

Natasha (00:52:10):

So I'm, I'm very, yeah. It's like, well, I'm not going to give it. And I love what you said. Cause I had gray. What person can win the Olympics unless they go all in and give it everything. And something I talk about with my coach all the time. That's my life coach, not my riding coach, but I'm like, I'm not going to do that. So therefore does the Olympic dream have to come off the table? And he's like, no, you just need to be clear on going. I'm going to go to the Olympics in a different way. Which means that I can reconcile it if it doesn't happen because the people that do go well and don't make it work. How do you reconcile that?

Matt (00:52:44):

Yeah, because if you can say like, Oh look, I didn't make it to the Olympics, but I've got an amazing life and an amazing family. I mean it's quick, things could be worse. You know that if you've given it all up and you go, I didn't make the Olympics. I have no friends. Now I have no money. I have nothing else going for me. Then he got in a bit of a dark horse.

Natasha (00:53:02):

Yes, yes. Yep. Um, I'm so with you, so where if your life wants to go perfectly for the next 10 years, cause we know life works out like that. Um, where do you want to be? What are your, what are your pillars?

Matt (00:53:15):

That's so hard. I really don't know. I, when I was 17 and I finished school, I said, I'm going to take a year off. Cause I don't know what I'm, what I'm going to do. And I'm still there. I'm still that exact same person that know what they're going to do. And it's just kind of like you make the option, you make the most of the opportunities that also come, of course you've got to create your own. And I think I did that along the way, but I don't know. I think I did a, I did a movie last year, which was really exciting. It was out here in the Netherlands and then it was on Netflix and that was really fun to be kind of part of that. So maybe that's something I want to dive into a little bit more. I got off.

Natasha (00:53:47):

Sorry to interrupt, but can I'm sure. Yeah.

Matt (00:53:50):

Why star? It's a horse movie. It's called white star. Okay.

Natasha (00:53:53):

I didn't know. There was a movie on Netflix.

Matt (00:53:55):

I don't think I've reached Australia. Um, but it was a school movie I did. And it was not before Netflix though. Yeah. But um, yeah, I'm not, I'm not exactly sure where that's can lead. I had a few like TV show opportunities. Like they asked me to be in love Island and I was like, I don't think that's really my thing. So maybe not,

Natasha (00:54:19):

I didn't even know what love Island did, but it sounds pretty interesting.

Matt (00:54:25):

It's like all these people get on an Island and it's all about like the drama and relationships that kind of happen on the Island. It's not like people like getting up. I was like, that's not me. Um, and then I got asked to do a maiden Chelsea. I don't know if you know that show. It's also I'm from the UK. It's like slightly scripted reality TV. Um, I said, no not. And then one show I did say yes. And then it didn't end up happening, was dancing with the star. I was meant to do that in Italy, which was really exciting. I had like the final meeting to like have everything booked and then a few things happened, which I hope one day I'll be able to talk about that. Didn't end up going ahead with the show, which is sad, but I'm kind of staying open to like possibilities like that. I think that's a really fun, new, new wave. That will be interesting to explore. Especially because even with the movie, I found it very uncomfortable because I have no experience in acting. So it's kind of nice being in that position where you feel like you're in a new element and you have to be on your toes a bit.

Natasha (00:55:25):

I love it. I can so see the secret. Not that tanning on that. Count me. I'm putting, what is it? Air quotes. Yeah. Because the secret to your success, you I'm jumping to situations that you don't know about. Like there's, there's fear. There's of course, fear to anything new and you jump in, you go, I'll figure it out. I've I don't know how to model. I'll figure it out. I don't know how to act. I'll figure it out. I'll figure out how to get my home. But that's how, that's the definition of success. The people that are sitting back going well, I want to do that until that's what breeds the unsuccess so yeah. Good on you. You want to come back to Australia at one point?

Matt (00:56:11):

I don't think so. Because the nice thing about here is like in Australia you do feel very confined and I think that can sometimes affect your ambition and like where you see your goals in your life go away. And the thing about Europe is that like you feel in a sense while industry, you also feel like you can do anything, but here you feel like you can really do anything. Like it's more achievable. It's just a mindset thing. But for my mind, it definitely works better here.

Natasha (00:56:36):

It goes well with the most amazing things to see and do. And you could go whenever you want, if in charge.

Matt (00:56:44):

So people are like, Oh my God, like, uh, uh, I don't know a shows happening at Hawkesbury. Like I can't wait to go. That's so cool. And I'm like, what if we fly to Paris? And we go to the IFO Paris jumping show in front of the Eiffel tower. Like, that's what I mean, like you start to be able to do other stuff and it takes the same amount of time to do it, but it's just at a different level. And then when you're immersed in that kind of culture and environment, at least for what I do, it does help.

Natasha (00:57:11):

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

Matt (00:57:13):

Have you ever done any competitions at all? Like in Germany or in the Netherlands?

Natasha (00:57:17):

I did a tiny competition in the Netherlands, like on a Tuesday, but no, I have not gone to the big shows. I can't wait. It's all I want to do.

Matt (00:57:27):

Like I feel like in Australia, people are so lovely and like everyone's there to have fun, even though it lets people hit a weight and these people are hungry for the win. And that's why I think like Jeremy ended up Lynn's is so competitive in the horse world is like, you go out here there's people like, they might not be like training high, but they've got like a super coach warming them up. Like they've got access to all these people and resources and they're getting like incredible schools, but it's definitely very, it's daunting going into competitions here. Like it's quite full on.

Natasha (00:57:56):

Absolutely. Yeah. And I, I I'm just, I just want to play like last is fine. I just want to play and just be like, okay, your game is shit. Bring it up for you. And God knows where I'll be eventually able to bring it up, but I'm just excited about like you I'm cool with it. That I'm terrified. I don't know. It's all crazy, but I I'll I'll get better because of the experience.

Matt (00:58:24):

Okay. Yeah. No, that makes sense. Well, if you're ever in the Netherlands swing by, it will be nice. We can go and see some freedoms that the, at the stables I was telling you about, Oh, have you ever been to free slides? Like right where they come from up North?

Natasha (00:58:36):

I think that's where I went to shop for them. Yeah. I think we just, yeah, we definitely went North, but yeah, no, definitely

Matt (00:58:47):

There as well. Like it's kind of like their own language and Friesland. Hmm.

Natasha (00:58:51):

Well, I can't undo. All I can say is dunker. Well that's all I've got and gotten more heart.

Matt (00:58:59):

Yeah. Well that's it off.

Natasha (00:59:03):

Yup. Awesome. Okay. Um, so any advice for riders that are looking at working on moving overseas? What do you have to say to anyone at home? Who's thinking that they might want to play a bigger game, but they're scared and they don't know how, and they don't know what to do.

Matt (00:59:18):

I think it's kind of like the other day I was in, I was on holiday and I saw this little, I had like a newspaper bond shop and they were on the newspaper. It said it's like, life gives you a little hits every now and then, but it says the biggest risk gives you the biggest reward. Um, and I guess that's kind of what you have to think. You know, nothing happened, nothing super exciting happens in your comfort zone. You have to be kind of outside of that. And then that's where like the magic starts to happen. So like allow yourself to be a dreamer, allow yourself to take the opportunity. And if worst comes to worst, you will go back to exactly the same life you had before. That's what I thought. I was like, if it all goes, if it all goes tits up, all I'm going to do is go back to Australia. I met the exact same wife I already had. Like, I won't be any worse off. I'll be better off I'll I'll at least have more experience all of these, know what I don't want. You know? So anything you do will always lead you somewhere, whether that's the place you've envisioned, you will not always know, but I'll lead you somewhere. And I think that's important to take that first step. So believe in yourself, do whatever you can. You've got to hustle. Sometimes things happen, but you just got to go for it. And then if it doesn't work out, it's not the end of the world.

Natasha (01:00:29):

I love it. And you are a living breathing example of like what I said before that your success is not unusual to me at all. Like I'm not listening here going, Oh, I just don't know how he did it. And I just don't know. I can see exactly why you have the results you have and it's available to anyone if you brave. And you do you do that work. So congratulations.

Matt (01:00:48):

I have to say, I was also lucky. You do need a bit of luck in life. Like, you know, you can put yourself out there as much as you can, but I was also lucky and I've been, I'm still very lucky in so many things that have happened to me. So, um, that's something I never take for granted that's for sure.

Natasha (01:01:04):

Cool, perfect. Beautiful. Who sponsors you? Who helps you tell me about your amazing sponsors

Matt (01:01:12):

Sponsors? I feel like that's an interesting topic in the wholesale world. Um, so I have a few different sponsors. I'm quite lucky. I haven't actually changed my sponsors down much at all throughout the years. I think it's important to sometimes be like, uh, quite exclusive with some things like, I don't believe clothing is one of them. I think people should wear whatever clothing they want. Cause there isn't such thing as the best clothing line. Like you take pieces from wherever you like, but you know, things like my saddle, my bottle and my leather goods, my boots, I do really believe in my company, in the company Kingsley. Um, and so that's why I'm strict with them. But with a lot of other sponsored sponsors, I always say I don't do any exclusivity. Um, and if that's what you're asking, I'm sorry, I'm not the person for you. Um, that's why I've got a few ones that coincide. I get a lot of questions. Like how can you have different sponsors that do the same thing? And it's like my content, you know, if you go to Westfield, do you shop at one store for everyone who is an Aussie or American? Um, so that's how I treat my space. I'm a person it's like, it's like, I'm your friend. I want to recommend to what I would like, what I would wear. So I have Aqualine is one of my sponsors, um, Kingsley sponsored me, boots, bridles, and saddles. Then I have Davos, which is kind of like the horse land. Yeah. They're really good. They saw everything and the stores are huge. It's so like it's so yeah, it's so exciting. Um, and then I am with a question star Colombia. I've been with them for such a long time. They are like, I love them so much. I actually have another collaboration coming out with them in December, which is exciting,

Natasha (01:02:54):

how exciting.

Matt (01:02:56):

And then I am with I'm with spring are for my bits and all that kind of stuff. I'm with [inaudible] as well. They have really nice stuff. I really liked them. They were kind of new collaboration I just started. Um, and then I'm trying to think, and then I have like a on and off on and off again, like you should a sponsor.

Natasha (01:03:18):

Yeah. That's amazing. So thank you so much for your time. Matt, do you have anything else you want to share or anything else that you want to leave the community with right now?

Matt (01:03:28):

No, I hope I can come visit you at one point, when I come back to Australia, that would be nice to come see your place and see your real life. That would be cool.

Natasha (01:03:35):

we'll go for a ride and then you can tell me,

Matt (01:03:40):

Yeah, I've only ever written one Friesian um, and it was full the movie that I played in last year, so I feel like I haven't had a fair shot cause we were at the beach. It was like this whole thing. So it would be nice to like have a proper sit on a Friesian and see what that's like. That would be cool.

Natasha (01:03:53):

Absolutely. You can do some P off and massage and some Tempe.

Matt (01:03:56):

Yeah. That'd be amazing. Absolutely.

Natasha (01:04:00):

I love it. All right. Well thank you so much. I've had an absolute pleasure chatting and my pleasure.