Podcast Episode 24: Edwina Hutton Potts | For The Love Of Horses

Tn this podcast, we speak with Edwina Hutton-Potts. Edwina is a former successful show rider, who has been successful in her transition to dressage. She has been involved in masterclasses with some of the world's best trainers and currently, she works with various young horses training them through the ranks.

To keep up with her journey, you can follow Edwina on Instagram @edwinapotts.

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Natasha (00:00):

So welcome to the podcast Edwina. So excited to have you on.

Edwina (00:48):

Thank you so much for having me I'm looking forward to it.

Natasha (00:51):

Yeah. Well, tell me, talk to me about your early start in horses. And I'm obsessed with showing because I'm really curious about what kind of personality excels in showing. Cause I don't have that. I'm not, don't sound very good. I'm not a clean person, but I'm like, talk to me about your early start with showing in and what kind of personality you have.

Edwina (01:17):

Yeah, so I was actually born in Sydney, um, and we moved, uh, out of Sydney into the country when I was seven and started riding lessons on the weekends and local riding school. Um, and then I got my first pony for my eighth birthday and he was incredibly naughty. I probably fell off him more than any of my other horses combined. Um, just it probably really naive purchase decision.

Natasha (01:42):

Um, but was he cute? Like, is that why he was bought, he was cute or pretty.

Edwina (01:46):

uh, he was very cute. He was steal gray, like just gorgeous, but probably not the, you know, why conscious Kick along pony I probably needed. Yeah. Um, and then we yeah. Started riding lessons, um, with a local lady who was a show rider and just sort of went from there into showing. Um, most of my ponies were really naughty. Um, a lot of really badly behaved horses. So I didn't have much success probably until I was, you know, 14, 15. Um, but for whatever reason, just kind of stuck with it. Um, and I think, you know, it taught me a lot, you know, I think a lot of kids with badly behaved horses might kind of think this is not for me or lose the nerve or whatever else, but, um, yeah, I think, you know, it gave me a really good start. Um, weirdly having so many naughty ponies, um, and the showing, I think it, you know, it always appeal to me. Like I am a bit, bit OCD, like a bit of a perfectionist. I love, love presentation, like a level of the makeup of the quarter, Mark, all that sort of stuff. Um, so yeah, I think that's probably why I was drawn to it. I don't think my mom ever would've let me go eventing or sporting or anything like that. She works in the health system. So I think, you know, trying to avoid visits.

Natasha (03:14):

No ER visits for you.

Edwina (03:17):

No unnecessary ones already happened with horses. So yeah, that's sort of how I kind of got into showing, I guess.

Natasha (03:26):

Right. And, um, what's your best memory in terms of showing? Like what did you love about it? Why, why talk to me about what you're looking to achieve? Is it, is it I, is it just that perception that the perfect look like? What is the attraction and the, what are you trying to improve in that space?

Edwina (03:49):

It is hard. I mean, for me, like I was very drawn to the rider classes. That's where I excelled more than in the, um, Hunter or open classes. And I think, you know, in dressage we kind of have a gauge of where we're at, you know, you marked movement by movement and that's a score of one to 10. Whereas, you know, there's not really a number value on doing well in showing, I mean, in turn up classes, there are, but you know, you have to nail it. You know, there's not really room for, you know, a mistake that just gets written off as one movement, you know, it has to nail it. And there's just something about, I think for me, my favorite show was, um, you know, the EA nationals where only two people per class per state qualify. So very small class and the stakes are really high and, you know, you're up against the best, the best. And there's always a big audience and there's just, I don't know. I can't quite describe that atmosphere. I'm sure. You know, it's like, you know, a very small scale of what it must be like to ride at like a weg or an Olympics, but just something about that crowd and that energy and it's, you know, all eyes on you it's yeah, it's pretty addictive and you know, it was hard to walk away from, um, you know, cause I did finish kind of on a high, um, but yeah, for me, like I had a lot of dressage training in my background already. So we used to do a lot of lunging lessons, just elements and dressage. Um, you know, I just didn't having sources attention back when you're in the show ring. And I think, you know, that knowledge is starting to increase in the show world and people are seeing the benefits of, you know, having a few more tools and a few more training AIDS, um, for their horses in the show world.

Natasha (05:36):

Absolutely. So I'm just really curious. Do you, um, will you begin the performing arts at school? It sounds like you love to perform and you.

Edwina (05:47):

no, no. The absolute opposite when I was like, I, um, I was a child is in daycare really young, so I was a really annoying yes, very center of attention type of child. And then I think as I got older, I kind of went a bit the opposite way. Um, now even like, I don't even like standing for a photo by myself, like I'm happy with the horse, some of the helmet on or whatever else, but I really, I don't like all eyes on me. It's just, yeah. Not in my nature. Um, you know, I wasn't into acting or singing or public speaking or anything like that. Um, yeah, I think the horse is a kind of, you know, they give me confidence in the show ring.

Natasha (06:28):

It was all mostly the horse, just a little bit of me.

Edwina (06:33):

I think I was very, I got good at putting on a, you know, I'm here to win kind of body language, but inside I was probably just absolutely packing it in, but yeah, it was a little bit of a, you know, fake it till you make it. I think,

Natasha (06:49):

Thank you. You're being honest. I'm sure lots of people are going Oh good. They just look like that. They're not actually that.

Edwina (06:56):

Yeah. Yeah. I don't actually feel that way. Yeah.

Natasha (07:00):

And so that is attitude. Everything doesn't matter what I do. Yeah. Actually going on just project. Yeah. And what made that shift were you like, well, it says, hi, I've achieved so much and obviously I still want to keep making progress. Was it that you would hit a ceiling transition?

Edwina (07:20):

So I always thought dressage was so boring. So like why would I want to trot around the rectangular pen? Like I didn't, I didn't get it. Um, and I started training with my coach Robbie sos. So when I was nearly 15, um, that transition over into dressage actually still took another sort of four or five years. Um, um, but it was, you know, I had started the process, you know, I was learning more and enjoying more and realizing, Oh, this is actually really hard. Um, and I am a sort of, I am a perfectionist, um, by nature just so I think, you know, dresses as a sport really appeals to me that drives me absolutely mental at the same time. Um, because I'm chasing something that is literally no one's done. Like no one's gotten a hundred percent that im aware of. Um, so yeah, so when the last show horse I bought is a thoroughbred, um, brought in from quite a well known rider and it basically went to crap like I just, this horse and I, like, we just didn't mesh. I was having an awful time with him. Um, and he kind of did have me on the edge of, you know, I think I was 18 at the time like, Oh my God, what am I doing? Like, do I still want to do this? And, um, we then bought my first dressage horse echo, um, and He just completely changed the game for me. Like just gave me my confidence back and made me, you know, really fall in love with the riding and the dressage and just the most generous horse. Like he was a school master and he made me work very hard for everything like the laziest horse that are put on earth, but you know, just a beautiful, willing horse. He didn't care if he made a mistake where you hit the wrong button. Like just very honest. Um, so yeah, I kept doing a bit of showing with him and did my rider classes and, you know, we achieved some amazing things in the show world and it was getting to that point where, you know, I needed to aim a little bit higher in my dressage with him and the focus, you know, one sport or the other. I'm not too into doing things by halves. Um, and I was also studying and working and I think, yeah, I'd kind of achieved what I wanted to achieve. Um, and I was ready to kind of, um, take my safety blanket away, I guess. And yeah, just go to the dressage to this whole thing.

Natasha (09:55):

yep, commit to the thing where that you can't get a hundred percent.

Edwina (09:58):

Yeah. I think it's hard, you know, when you're doing really well, it, um, to, you know, let go of that and, you know, head off into a world where you sort of still a nobody and you're still learning and still go a bit really.

Natasha (10:19):

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. So, and I love that you bring up that you're a perfectionist, um, because I know that's one of the biggest character flaws that stops me in my dressage journey cause I am so, uh, she'll be right near is enough. Good enough. We're good to go. Let's rock off. And I need to really bring something that's not innate in me to be like, Oh, it actually has to be really precise and it actually has to be really good. So, um, yeah. How do you balance that? Because it's, it's obviously it's a long journey in, in dressage and I'm, I'm, I'm on your side. I hope you do get your a hundred percent, one day. Um, but clearly that's not happening tomorrow. So how do you find joy or the, what, what is riding for you and, and, and is it joyful? Is it, is it fun? What, like what, what gives you the pleasure in riding?

Edwina (11:16):

Yeah, I was literally having this conversation with someone yesterday saying how, you know, there are people out there who I'm kind of almost envious that they can, you know, let things go a bit and wing it and, you know, see how it goes. Whereas for me, um, you know, I probably a little bit too hesitant to go out too soon. You know, my, um, my oldest of my horses, he's technically a seven year old now and, um, he's competed up to novice level, but he's, you know, training all the elementary, medium sort of work and I'm sure he could go out and do an elementary tests, you know, no sweat, but I'm like, but there's one part that I'm like, Oh, I don't know if he's going to do that bit well, and it's like one movement, but it's enough that I'm like, do we go out yet? But, um, yeah, I think, you know, when I had eco um, and he was sort of an older horse and I didn't really feel like we had anything to prove, you know, I've kind of happy to wing it and, you know, just see how it goes. And, you know, for me, with him, it was all about the learning, like, you know, just getting a taste for it, getting my foot in the door, getting a feel for it all. So yeah, I think I do struggle to balance out the, you know, wanting to, um, you know, do very, very well all the time. But the thing that he taught me is that, you know, each horse, um, you know, each horse has their own 10. I know that sounds really dumb.

Natasha (12:43):

That's cool.

Edwina (12:45):

A judge might look at it and say it's a seven, but you know, the feeling that knowing that your horse absolutely did the absolute best that they could do. Um, that's kind of what I fall back to, you know, if I look at my test and I think, Oh, you know, I'm disappointed with that mark, but you know, if I know in myself that my horse really did their best job of it, um, then I'm okay with it. You know, I'm not going to go and like cry because you know, my horse got a six that I thought was a seven or an eight, but yeah, I think I am a bit more focused on the, what I see is the improvements, which is what I like about the dressage after the showing is you can actually kind of compare your performances personally. Um, yeah. Yeah. That's, I think that's probably what rains in my chasing a hundred percent.

Natasha (13:36):

Yeah. The joy for you seeking the perfect from that horse and just getting the progress he can do. That's what drives you at night to get on and yeah.

Edwina (13:48):

I mean, I'm, you know, I liked competing, but I love training. Like I'm wow. You know, I don't actually compete that much. Um, I don't need, I like, I do like to compete occasionally, but it's not what sort of drives and motivates me. I mean, I am a born animal lover and, you know, horned animals, like nobody's business always have been. I think it comes from my mom, you know, we just animal mad love and see, I'm just very passionate about the horses themselves and their welfare and them enjoying their work. And yeah. I mean the school wasn't honest, but yeah, I'm just kind of motivated by the training, I guess.

Natasha (14:27):

Yeah. I love it. I love it. So what's your current schedule? How many horses are you riding right now?

Edwina (14:34):

Um, so I ride about five a day. Um, so mostly young ones I do. So I've got four here in work. One that's getting Broken in soon. And then I ride, um, two horses off site. Um, one of them is the show horse. So I still do have not put in that Door, but he's, um, he's educated as well. You know, he can do it a couple of like, he can do some interesting Tempe changes in theory, like a bit of a half path and that sort of thing. And then I also have a teeny tiny 12 hand Palomino pony I've just started riding and I really wish he was like, uh, you know, up to height pony or so, so smart, um, lots of fun to ride. I'm not very tall, so, you know, but I feel ridiculous on him cause all my horse is huge, so yeah, that's sort of my schedule and um, they're all quite young. So they do sort of the youngest of them do sort of a lung day and then they have sort of three written days, um, you know, fairly light workload, um, Sergio who's my now seven year old. He does four days and a hacking day.

Natasha (15:51):


Edwina (15:52):

Um, yeah, that's sort of life at the moment with the horses.

Natasha (15:56):

Yeah. Yes. And I think you mentioned earlier in, in you were studying, do you work, do you study or is it just horses full time?

Edwina (16:05):

I do work, unfortunately. Yeah. My, my probably ratio of horses. I orange, the horses I train for other people's a little bit out of whack at the moment. So I work as well. Um, so yeah, I work in hospitality and in retail I finished studying. I'm not even sure how long ago that was now. Probably 18 months ago. I do take a break when I went overseas. Um, but yeah, I did, um, management and marketing, so I did a commerce degree. Um, something I think, I don't know, possibly I'll look at in the future, I'm just sort of yeah. Um, business or horses, so which way am I going?

Natasha (16:46):

It's the decisions.

Edwina (16:48):

Yeah, I just, I didn't intend to end up with so many horses here, but I got, um, you know, offered an opportunity to take on these two young mares last year and all that. I could not knock that back. They would just, they're beautiful horses. So yeah. Horses are kind of dominating at the moment.

Natasha (17:06):

Yeah. And your own fitness. Do you do anything, um, for your fitness as well or just riding the horses is definitely enough.

Edwina (17:14):

Um, yeah, no, I go to the gym, um, usually five days a week. Um, sometimes less. I do a lot of strength based training. Um, I try to go for runs too, but um, yeah, I find the gym easy to fit in. I don't my horses, aren't stable cause we don't have stables at the moment and um, you know, cause it's winter and darker in the morning. I tend to cut myself off to the gym at five 30 in the morning when it's still dark. Um, and try and get my workout in then before it's, you know, time to feed and start riding. Cause I don't have any only one else he helping me. So it does take me a long time to get through it all. Like just tacking it on tacking out and washing.

Natasha (17:58):

You sound very busy.

Edwina (18:01):

Yeah. Yeah. I'm not a sit still type of person. I'm usually anyway, I try to annoying really?

Natasha (18:09):

Yeah. Fabulous. Okay. So, um, when you were doing your master classes with Charlotte, Dorothy, what was, um, the, the biggest thing that you went? Ah, this makes sense. Why we score the score we do, The school was way score and they score the scores they score. Was there anything that you just went even more particular or was there a particular training theme?

Edwina (18:31):

Yeah, I, I think it's that, um, I think Charlotte and carl both put it into words before and their master classes it's that, you know, not trying to settle for a 6 or a 7, like taking risk and just aiming higher. Um, like I probably am very risk averse. Um, you know, you know, there's probably times a year in a test. Do you think I should just give them a big kick or, you know, make a big correction, but you kind of go, Oh, I don't want to do it like going to, you know, embarrassing myself or I don't know, you know,

Natasha (19:04):

It's you're showing, It cant look bad for one second.

Edwina (19:07):

Yes, yes. Yeah. Um, yeah, like you kind of avoiding throwing away a test, you know, for future benefit. But, um, I think it is just that, you know, that strictness doing the very, very basic things well like working every day on, you know, the simple stuff, like it's not running through lots of movements, it is making sure that the feeling is good. The reaction to the AIDS is really good. Um, you know, about making it look effortless. Um, and I know when I did the Dorothea masterclass, it was a bit of sort of, um, almost negative feedback from the audience about, you know, the fact that every rider had warmed up the same way and they had done a lot of the same work and a lot of same exercise. And I think it's a bit like people are with, um, their own fitness and diet culture where they're looking for the, you know, secret arts or that's going to change everything. And, you know, she put it out there for everyone that, you know, your four year olds and the grand prix horses, they all need to be nailing the same, very, very basic stuff. Um, so I think, yeah, that for me is it's just that, you know, that seeking excellence in just the most boring stuff and everyone wants, you know, new exercises are great. Um, you know, that you can add them into your team, but you shouldn't be looking to, you know, change your whole philosophy and your whole training method. And yeah, I think that for me is probably the biggest takeaway, um, from the two people it's just that, you know, aiming for more better, you know, refining everything.

Natasha (20:52):

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. Um, and when you think about your riding career, is there something we'll go with it best first? So if you could only live one day, in your riding career over and over and over again into your future. What is your favorite moment? And it might be a win or it might be a training or it might be what's your favorite bit.

Edwina (21:18):

Yeah. Um, when I did the dressage festival in, or what year was it? 2015. So we had gone down for the show horse nationals, um, and, um, the rider classes and my coach and I were winner and runner up that week. And then I had stayed on to do the, um, dressage festival. And so we spent two weeks in a caravan at Werribee. Um, and yeah, when everyone had left, like the show horse people there, and we had a few days in between where I was just off and it was pretty like, Oh my goodness, like, what are we doing here? Um, and yeah, it was the first year I did the dressage festival and I did the arc and challenge with echo and some how, like, you know, beyond my expectations, we won the first round and got to do the final and I, you know, completely lost my head in the final. Um, I think I made a course there on the third, which is really impressive when you ride this test three times in a row in the space of like.

Natasha (22:24):

yeah that is impressive.

Edwina (22:24):

It was pretty good. Um, but echo got the award for the best horse. So he was the horse that, um, you know, everyone had gotten the highest percentage on and there was just something that made me, saw her like warm and fuzzy and emotional and see my beautiful horse. You know, he was not particularly brave in that indoor, but he carried everyone around so beautifully and it was just, it was really special. And I kind of loved that, you know, he wasn't the, you know, stellar 70% type of horse, but he was consistent and he, you know, he got, you know, a rug and a big ribbon, I dunno, there was just something about it. I just absolutely love that even though he got recognition like that. Um, so I think, yeah, that was pretty special. Um, I mean, yeah, the show horse Braddock class wins. I were pretty cool too. But then apart from that, I did the nationals last year, um, for the first time, cause I always missed it. It always, um, overlapped with when I had my end of year assessments and exams for uni. So I'd never managed to get there. Um, and yeah, Sachio ended up fourth overall and the novice championship in really big classes. And you know, I think the top three were all imported with professionals on board and I've, you know, been his soul rider since he was not long broken in. So yeah, there was something like novice level. Not that, yeah, it was, I was so stoked to very extreme scenarios, but yeah, for one,

Natasha (24:05):

but I want to know that I've got the right horse in my head. Is he black?

Edwina (24:09):

Yeah. Black was full socks and ablaze.

Natasha (24:12):

I think I love your horse. Yes. I think I've said, yeah, I want him and I don't care if he's not important or whatever. Like he, to me is the dream he's black and socks.

Edwina (24:25):

Beautiful and he had this big thick wavey tail, like just, yeah, very beautiful boy.

Natasha (24:33):

That is so cool whoever's editing this podcast. Can we please put a photo of him? Cause I want everyone to drool Over him. I'll put that on. Fabulous. All right. So we've got these highs and we've got that the horse recognition and we've got, like you said, you've trained this horse, your whole life. That was really great. What's your lowest moment, your worst moment. Your I'm giving up this won't work my moment. If you have one,

Edwina (25:08):

I think, well with the horse, probably like really on and off, not broke me, but just broke my heart. Like, you know, I've put a lot of time and love into him and he just, he just couldn't perform like you'd take him out and he would just lose it. And you know, I try and try it and I'm not, I give up type of person, but, and it was really hard for me having to say like, this is not working. Like I, you know, I can't, you know, work with this horse. Um, and we might coach then trained him for a little bit and we got to a point with him that we were happy, but you know, we would never have sold him. Like I just wasn't happy that he would end up, um, you know, not hurting someone or not, you know, ending up in a sale yard or anything awful like that. So I am actually looking at him right now. He is retired. He's been retired for, I think I only worked with him for probably less than a year and he's been out in their retirements paddock for like six. So that was really hard. But I think, you know, the silver lining was that we found echo, um, and it did kind of push me into the dressage a bit more. Um, and then the other big laughter that was, I spent, um, five months overseas working. So, um, we bought Sachio at the end of 2016. And then I went overseas, um, sort of March, 2017. And so we just turned him out during that time he was three year old. Um, so he just spelled out in the paddock and then brought him back into work and we'd lunged him, I think three times. And then he quartered his heel playing with a, not a horse. So the fence. And so he went on box rest for that. Um, cause he had to have a hoof cost on because he was in such an awkward spot. So he was locked up for, I can't remember how long that was, maybe three weeks, four weeks, something like that. Um, and then he went back out in the paddock and he did a tendon injury. Um, and we were like, he's a big horse. So were like, what are we going to do with this, you know, huge horse tendon injury. I'm like, he's not the kind of horse you could ever have retired at that age gets into everything. He destroys water troughs. Like he gets into everything and just that, you know, is he gonna come? How are we gonna do this? You know, what's his future going to be like, and I was just autonomic just absolutely numb by that whole process. Cause it had echo who was sort of heading towards retirement and then my, you know, my next album coming and I was like, what, what am I going to do? I can't buy another one. Um, so that was a really, really stressful time and yeah, did all the rehab and um, you know, got him back up to where he needed to be to then, you know, have those first rides and cause he wasn't allowed to be lunged. Um, this horse is still very green and you know, he's a big boy. He's, he'd be 17, two hands plus I'd be called friends.

Natasha (28:32):

And what are you?

Edwina (28:32):

Five foot five. I'm not very tall. Um, so one of my friends came out and um, we did leading rein. She led me around on a lot. Um, and then I got one of my coaches to come and get on in for the first trot. You know, he had some spunk in him and I was like, yeah, he's going to be naughty I knew was, but yeah, it's just kind of touch wood. Haven't looked back since then. Um, but yeah, that was, that was hard.

Natasha (29:00):

Yeah, absolutely. And thanks so much for sharing. I think, you know, we see so many people around the showroom show ring or dressage ring and we, I know I've seen you in the distance on that beautiful black horse, I've just gone and we see the good and we don't ever say the stress and the, or what happened to get you to that point and what tier, what things. So everybody does go through it. There is not just you buy 10 horses and old Tanner great. And old 10 workout, Sams and old 10 live. Um, so it's important that we realize like it is, it's just an office condo come, come out.

Edwina (29:38):

Yeah. Like some weeks I come out and every horse has managed to do something stupid and it's like, we are, those are the weeks. You're like, what am I doing? Like, can anyone just behave this way? He goes, stay in one pace this week, but you know, then I have those, um, you know, those unicorn days where everyone's, you know, just really on the top game and this is not yeah.

Natasha (30:03):

Right, right, right. This is normal. This is good.

Edwina (30:07):

Yeah. Yeah.

Natasha (30:10):

Okay. And going to Europe, did you go to Europe to see the world or were you riding or?

Edwina (30:16):

Uh, it was may, I'm a very, you know, I like plans, um, and structure and just on a whim, um, Gareth and Rebecca Hughes posted on their Facebook page saying that they had an opening coming up for, um, a grooming position. And I thought, well, why not? You know, Sacha was so young. I was like, all, we can just talk him out for a few months while I go and do this. And it was amazing. Like, you know, I know people have this sort of horror stories about working overseas. Um, but the girls that I got to work with were just absolutely gorgeous. I'm still in touch with them. We still speak, you know, most days, um, a lot of them have actually come out and stayed with me. Um, so yeah, I just had a really, really beautiful time over there and I was lucky to travel with, um, Rebecca and Garth to some competitions and to carl for lessons. Um, so I got to watch them, you know, training with carl is amazing. Um, and just, yeah, kind of good to have a look at how things are over there. Um, and you know, I was lucky to have a few lessons of Garrison sit on his lap, you know, ride some of his horses. And it was just all that same principles that we were talking about with Charlotte and Dorothea that it's just that, you know, aiming for aiming for more like not settling for, you know, this feels good enough, like not in a negative, you know, drill it into them sort of way, but just, you know, hold yourself to a higher standard. Um, and yeah, just that yeah. Refining things.

Natasha (31:54):

Absolutely wonderful. So what future goals? You're a big planner you said? So how are we planning?

Edwina (32:06):

Uh, well, I mean, sat chair, I don't think I'll ever part with him. Um, he he's, I don't even know how you'd describe him as a ho4w3 with he's so unique. Um, he's a handful, but he has, when he, you know, he's on, he has the most amazing work ethic and he's as brave as anything. Um, so, you know, I'd love to get him up to FEI level. Um, you know, I've only had the one dressage horse beforehand and he was educated. Um, so yeah, I'd love to able to do that myself, um, you know, train him right through, um, then with all the young ones. Well, I dunno the world sort of a bit off in the air at the moment. You know, I did that. I don't like to compete that much. And my plan was for Satya to have, you know, at least this year off just to get a bit stronger. Um, but that's sort of happening anyway, but I've got all these, all these young ones that need to go out being there for their first outings and they're sort of piling up with no way to go. So yeah, I think, you know, I've got a three, four year old here and I've got a five year old who still hasn't been able to compete. So we're thinking about some young horse classes. Um, but you had just kind of have to say what happens what's happening. Really. Yeah. I mean, I think, I don't know. I'd like to do my coaching certificate. Um, yeah, maybe start thinking a little bit more about horses as a career. Um, we say that decision's kind of always, you know, back and forth, back and forth. Um, yeah, I don't know. I just kind of just want to keep improving. It's a very, you know, nonspecific goal, but, um, yeah, it's kind of a, not one to, you know, rest on my laurels then thing. Like I always think I know nothing, so I want to know more.

Natasha (34:05):

know more. Absolutely. Absolutely. You've got some really great sponsors who helps you with your riding and yeah. And with your horses.

Edwina (34:15):

Yeah. So I'm really lucky to work with some amazing, um, people in businesses. Um, so I work with boutique equines, um, the cat Dunstan, um, impulsion elite equine where it's alarmed the Pesa bridge, um, RSA work with Harry pony, um, Jeff Atkins photographics and uh, performance saddle fit. I had to think back a minute. Um, but yeah, I'm really, really lucky that I had just the most supportive, amazing people to work with and we have a lot of fun and yeah, it just feels like friends,

Natasha (34:56):

So Boutique Equines what do they do?

Edwina (34:57):

Yep. So they do, um, for horses there's jackets actually from, so yeah, for horses, clothing auto shoe marker, um, bridals, SD design. So most of my horses were SD design, um, bridles. They're just like a really, really well priced, um, beautiful quality bridle. Um, she also does, um, hair. So if you're ever at a comp where cast that, her stance, she does the Polish, the pan, um, yeah, just really, really beautiful, beautiful stuff.

Natasha (35:33):

Love it. And, um, impulsion Elite Equine Wear?

Edwina (35:39):

yep. So Impulsion. So she's got a question stock home, PF of Sweden, um, Mattis. I am a, yeah, not so secret matters, settle pad holder.

Natasha (35:51):

How many, how many do you have?

Edwina (35:54):

Uh, um, Oh, I would say like 15, 10 and 12 maybe.

Natasha (36:03):

Yep, That's that's an addiction.

Edwina (36:05):

It's less embarrassing now. Cause I do have alot of horses everywhere, but when it was just like one, it was bad, but I was like, I can kind of justify it a little bit more now, but yeah, I think that that's sort of the hacky dying HOD that, um, yeah, that matchy-matchy, but I think the dressage is getting more like that now. Yeah. I don't feel like I'm sticking out like a sore thumb.

Natasha (36:29):

Beautiful. So that was impulse. Cool. Um, um, performance saddle fits. Is that fitting the saddle?

Edwina (36:38):

Yeah. So, um, I've been working with Paula for, Oh, must be close to 10 years now. Um, so she started yeah. Fitting my horses, my show horses, um, and the saddles I use now, my dressage horses, the air plus settles. Um, they are just really, really beautiful saddles. Um, yeah. Yeah. It's a brand. Yeah. Um, so. I think the people that founded AirPlus, um, were originally with pressstage, um, so sort of a similar design. Um, but yeah, I'm lucky I have two of the saddles and um, yeah, paula is really like so incredibly knowledgeable. Um, and yeah, I'm really lucky to work with her too.

Natasha (37:25):

That's great. And Harry pony, is that shampoo? What does Harry pony do?

Edwina (37:31):

Yeah. So Harry pony do, um, all sorts of grooming products. So shampoos, um, tales, sprays, coat sprays, they're planning. Wax is probably what they're best none for.

Natasha (37:43):

Everybody take now, Edwina is very good in the showing. If she says, this is what I, and what she uses, I think we all need to take it out.

Edwina (37:51):

Yeah. So it's one thing definitely carried over is I cannot do the six quiet. I can't do golf or let's just, I love Nate Platt.

Natasha (38:00):

you and I, when you, when we're in the same place, I'm going to come and find you because you will just want to smack me over the head. I only any of it and all my horses, I feel so bad for them. I'm like, I'm sorry. I feel like I'm the guy that plates the daughter's hair to go to school. And they're all like no.

Edwina (38:21):

Platting for me, I don't know my mum. That was always a mum thing that she loved the platting And so when I started going into comps, I'm more on my own. I had to sort of get used to it, but I find it really, really therapeutic now, especially, you know, if I'm at a stay over comp platting before I'm competing or before the master class or anything like that, I find it really makes me feel like I'm in control of it. So. Yeah. I really love platting. So yeah, the plotting wax is amazing. Here has the most disgusting nine. It is like, I want it to sit like one of those beautiful European manez get straightened, beautifully caught and sits on the one side that is not, no, it is never going to do that, but they have a product called hair repair, which is kind of like horsey Olaplex I guess you would say. And it is the only thing that has made his main look civilized and like frizzy dry off or that it actually is so. Yeah. I probably should use it in my own. It's it's a really good product.

Natasha (39:25):

I love it. I love it. Cool. And Jessica does do the most amazing photos.

Edwina (39:32):

Yeah, she does. Yeah. So Jess actually photograph Me first time when we did the Charlotte master class, um, and a friend of mine bought me, um, two of the photos taken of F on that master class as a gift. And that's how I kind of came across Jess and she travels up here a bit to do, um, photo shoots. Um, not so much now, like the board is close, but, um, yeah, we just became really good friends and I just love working with Jess and Josh and just makes it a really fun time. Cause like I said, me and being in front of the camera, like not my ideal environment, that just makes it really fun. So yeah.

Natasha (40:15):

Brilliant. Anything else you would like to share? Any advice for young riders that think that they would like to have some of the results that you've had? What would you like to part with?

Edwina (40:28):

Um, I think, you know, it's really important to find people you trust and stick with a system. Um, you know, like I said, I did not do well for a very, very, very long time. Like at the start of my, you know, showing and riding career, it just didn't happen for me, but I do sort of trust in the process and the time it takes and um, you know, I've been lucky to be with my coaches for yeah, probably over, I think it was our 10 year anniversary last year. So I've been with them for a long time and yeah, so I trained with, um, Robbie and Dave McKinnon and Allie SaaStr. So they are really like family now to the point where you can be like family just work really well together. And I think, you know, nothing is scary that sames, when you've got, you know, a good support network around, you know, people you can sound board off and you know, if I'm having this issue, can you help me with the thought, you know, I'm lucky we have a really, really community here. And, um, you know, a lot of their other clients are really good friends of mine, you know, everyone's kind of happy to help you out. Like you don't feel so overwhelmed.

Natasha (41:44):

cause it is, it's a lonely sport. We're not a team sport. It's just you and your horse.

Edwina (41:50):

um, you know, I am here by myself most days and it is kind of, you do get a bit bogged down sometimes, but I'm lucky to have no friends, even down in Victoria that I talk to a lot and just normalizing that it's, you know, frustrating and it's hard, but it's all of us, um, you know, experiencing that and like, you know, it will be fine tomorrow or the next day or next week, like, you know, they're not going to be, you know, going through, you know, rough patches in their training for forever. Um, but yeah, I think, yeah, just having a good support network, I think that is hugely helpful to progressing. Yeah. And just so you know, it's sort of stopped, you're questioning yourself too much and you know, feeling like he completely going off on the wrong track and yeah, yeah,

Natasha (42:41):

yeah. I completely agree. Thank you so much for this conversation. I've really enjoyed it.

Edwina (42:47):

I've had fun.

Natasha (42:49):

So. Um, if people want to find out more about you, they can follow you on social media.

Edwina (42:55):

Yeah. So I'm on Instagram. Um, just Edwina pots. Um, Edwina Hutton-Pots was just seemed a little bit too long. So just did Edwina Potts, but don't have a Facebook page. Um, yeah, I guess that may come down the track. If I do think horses are yelling to me more than they are here, but um, yeah, just on Instagram.

Natasha (43:17):

Great. We will put that in the show notes. Thank you so much for your time and good luck with your future stuff going on. And let's hope I can see you in a competition one day.

Edwina (43:26):

Yeah, yeah, no. Yeah. Hoping that we'll be not too far away. I don't um, yeah. Head South too often, but I really would like to, and now it's not an option. Yeah. Hopefully we can catch up soon. Thank you for having me on. It's been fun.