Podcast Episode 21: Lisa Martin - Never Giving Up

Love this episode? Make sure you leave us a review! Today we get to speak with the amazing para equestrian Lisa Martin. Lisa competed in eventing, polocrosse, showjumping and dressage. However when she was 28 she was involved in a horse riding accident which left her with less then 15% of movement in her ankle. We talk about what it was like overcoming such a huge set back in life and being able to get where she is today and achieve the amazing results she has so far. 

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Natasha (01:18):

So thank you for your time today, Lisa. I'm so excited to get to know you better and to hear your story.

Lisa (01:23):

Well, thank you so much. I'm really excited to be part of the podcast.

Natasha (01:27):

Oh, it's fabulous. Thank you so much for setting up. I'm seeing horse, photos everywhere behind you and ribbon very exotic.

Lisa (01:38):

Oh yeah. The house is fairly full of horse bits and pieces here. Unfortunately.

Natasha (01:44):

I know they put pictures and horse ribbons up on every little bit and then you don't need to worry. That was my theory. Anyway, I'd love to know a little bit of your background, a little bit of your story of how you got started in horses. Was there a pony where you later in life into horses and how it all kind of unfolded?

Lisa (02:07):

Oh, it's really, it's really unusual story. Well, um, how it will be again because mum and dad, um, dad had an advertising agency and as, as a, as a, you know, one, two year old, I grew up in Newcastle and dad had polocrosse horses that he had for a hobby at the time. And, you know, we'd go away on carnivals and would have most weekends on at carnivals playing polocrosse. And in those days I was, as I said, I was only about two or something and that put me on a pony and what they call in those days, the ball girl, and I'd be at the gold gold post and I'd be helping out pick the ball up as the ball came to the ball, the, um, the post. And I'd usually carry the champagne in and on the front of the horse right in parades and all those other things and became a real family environment back in. It still is, um, playing polar cross. Um, and I, you know, the older I got and I think I was about four when we moved up here to wallalong and, um, dad bought the property up here and, um, we'll still mom and dad was still playing polocrosse quite a lot. Um, I would obviously get more and more adventurous on the pony. And so when they were playing polocrosse, they needed to know where I was. So they would stick me in a car or, you know, God forbid, if you do now, you know, I think you'd be arrested.

Natasha (03:39):

Love it.

Lisa (03:43):

And it was right, but it was a really, really wonderful environment to be in because everyone looked after everyone. It was a family environment and I would have played probably two or three years. I didn't paly very much polocrosse, but I, I enjoyed it. And, um, and then it kind of, I did a whole circle of, of different sports because I was also involved with pony club. And as we all know, pony club, um, you do so many different things. You, you know, we did tent pegging back there. We did vaulting, we did dressage, we did a venting, we did it all. And, and it was the days of Matt Ryan being in Maitland pony club. And, um, and, and all those sort of really good riders, Susie mahen now duddy. Um, and, and, um, some really top riders is more all in there to get it. So we were all very competitive. Um, it was great. It was fantastic. Um, pony club was, uh, an amazing, and once again, steel is a great environment for children to grow up in and, and be involved in, but also what happened was something very unusual. And that's, Razi Ryan came out from england, and haze, and rosy, as we know, are exceptionally well known in the industry. And they set up the new South Wales equestrian center Lochinvar with Bob and Judy Mitchell. I was probably, I think, I think I worked out, I was about six or so at the time. And I was Rosie's student and mum felt that I needed some help with my flat work, because I started to do a little bit more hacking. And, um, we did some Sydney shows back then, or quite a lot of them. And she thought, well, you know, I've gone to who this English lady is out here. Um, so I, mum would take me out for two lessons a week with Rosie. And in those days there was no indoor arena. There was just that outdoor arena and we became extremely closed. And, um, that pony, um, she told me on several horses, but the pony was, um, that I started on, um, was given to me or lent to me by Joe Doyle, Joe Chevelle in those days. And that pony really opened up everything for me. Cause then I got more lessons on with Razi with other horses. Um, but you know, like any child, your progressed and the equestrian center at Lochinvar, as you know, everyone knows the older questions that are, um, it grew and he's in Razi became, it became a, an amazing environment to grow up in because we were faulting or showjumping, um, and doing all sorts of things. So I grew away from the polar cross a little bit more. And my art, um, at the time had a very nice Pre st George horse and yeah, yeah, it was really, and she was doing the CDIs.

Natasha (06:55):

and she was doing tempy changes and all these things that looked really fun I'm guessing, compared to polocross.

Lisa (07:05):

And different to the showing and Rosie said, look, you know, you've come to an age. And I think I was 14, 15, 14, I think at the time that you've come to the age where you, you need to learn how to do these higher level movements. And Emery said, look, I would like to sell you this horse. And mum and dad took, um, it was, you know, in those days, imagine quite a bit of money and a bit of effort. And they bought, and they bought my first FEI horse. Um, I was 14. Um, yeah. Yeah. Um, and his name was congested, all lovely and yeah, we'll concussed it all. I ended up, um, having enormous amounts of success and fun on this horse. It was incredible. Um, I think we're on five Australian teams, um, trans Tasman teams, you can deal and all sorts of things. So, yeah. Um, I actually went to grand Prix with him.

Natasha (08:16):

Good on you. I think everyone is going she's 14. She got a Prix St George horse and she has taken it to grand prix.. We're all on your side. What's wrong with it.

Lisa (08:30):

Very lucky, very fortunate. And it was just being at the right place at the right time. Um, but I do believe, um, that horse in particular and the one prior, um, that I had, and his name was Lincoln, where they just gave me the taste of what, what I could do and what to do, like telling me the way, um, he's actually in the stock horse hall of fame. Now he was a registered Stockholm. Um, yeah. So that's a little bit an unusual whole three 60. I've gone right around the circle.

Natasha (09:11):

Yeah. Okay. So you're young, you're fit now gone to grand prix, you're feeling like, you're hooked i'm guess.

Lisa (09:21):

Um, he couldn't actually PF and facade very well. He was terrible at it. And Clemons, Dick said, I will help you with this and Clemens to vote and told him how to Spanish walk. Yeah. And that's how the PS and facade.

Natasha (09:40):

There's always a way there was always a way. Yeah, I love it. Okay. So. Um, and obviously it seems that you, as you said, there was amazing riders around you, your, um, at Heath and Razi, so there's, there seems to be a lot of competition. Did it enter into your brain Olympics for dressage or not yet.

Lisa (09:59):

I've got to say right when I was a tiny little person, I would be in so much trouble at school. The drawing, the Olympic rings when I'm supposed to be doing my maths.

Natasha (10:15):

There are 5 rings, I'm counting. It's not five, six. I don't know. I'm not good at math.

Lisa (10:26):

I was, as all I had focused on was dreaming of one day representing my country or just, just riding.

Natasha (10:37):

Oh, that's that gives me goosebumps. So it was always there. So, um, yeah. What, what happened? I'm the I, yeah. Where did, where did we go to from here? Tell me

Lisa (10:47):

um, well, with, with the way my riding career went is that what you're asking.

Natasha (10:53):

Yeah. Yeah. Well, yes. So you're young, you've got your foot, your horse to grand prix. You need to get an other horse. So I'm assuming.

Lisa (11:03):

I left school reasonably early and I got a job in New Zealand working for a dressage trainer over there in New Zealand, um, for about 12 months. And we'll breaking and Shetland ponies for quite a while, with little, little pads on them. And then that was, we used to laugh. We used to fall off all the time on those.

Natasha (11:22):

It didn't matter.

Lisa (11:25):

She had this massive, big horse called Zorba and he was 18.1 hands. And he was given to me to compete on over there and do the New Zealand versus Australia challenge. Um, and we did really well with that. Um, and so I had my first taste of international kind of competition when I was about 17, I think even a bit younger cause I was on the New Zealand team. So that was really exciting. And then I came home and um, I, I bred, I ended up breeding my next, um, next horse and getting another one off the track and, and the one I've got off the, off the track, he, he was just, he was so difficult, you know, talking about thoroughbreds. He, he used to take several hours to work down before a test. Um, and I took him to Adelaide when the Australian championships were on an Adelaide and he won the advanced Australian championships with me. Um, and I sold him not long after that to Hong Kong. And I, at this stage, I'm not at school and I'm just working full time. I think we had like 16, 17 horses in work at that time. Um, and then I bred another one, um, called rhythmic. Um, he was alluded off salute, salute, Ludendorff, gilding, I bred. And he ended up going over to, um, later on in like when I was, I think, um, I think my daughter is 18. She was two, one or two at the time. And I took him over to Europe and spent 12 months with Roberta Schmidt in Germany, um, competing at the grand Prix with him over there. Um, and he was, he wasn't anything special. It wasn't like a, you know, um, but we, we, he just had the most amazing temperament and he taught me so much. Um, and, and obviously be with you, birders was, um, just incredible at the time. So, um, I got married,

Natasha (13:48):


Lisa (13:48):

um, before, um, and I think I was 21 when I got married. I was fairly young and, um, and we moved all the horses out to Mary Wall and on a, on a large property out there and I had no arena, I had nothing. Um, so I've taken two grand Prix horses out there with me and, um, and a couple of young horses. And I said to my husband, Jason, I need an arena. And he said, it's all right, you've got 20,000 acres to ride on. And I said, but it's black soil. I need a bit of sad, but we don't have sand here. We have black soil. And he said, what? We're going to have to get something again for you, I suppose. And I said, look, it'd be nice to have a little bit of sand because every day I was going out into a player, Paddock and I was riding on a plow paddock and picking the rocks up as I went so I can try. And then I traveled a Rosie once a week and have a lesson. So that was like from Mary Ward to Lochinvar, it was at least two and a half, three hours to get to her. Um, so yeah, we just made do with what we had and, um, wait from there. Yeah. Wow.

Natasha (15:10):

There's that journey. And you, um, is the, the horse that I know you from his first famous.

Lisa (15:17):

oh yes.

Natasha (15:19):

Famous horse? I love that name.

Lisa (15:21):

Oh, she was a, yeah, she was a find. Um, it was, there was an amazing story with that, you know, and, um, it was part of my life, um, that it was incredible finding her. Um, so, um, we, we bought her in Germany and it, she was five and she's rising 13 now. Wow. And yeah, her time gets away and I didn't want to do the trip on my own and everyone's hell will all come. But I said, I wanted someone. I wanted people with me that, um, weren't judgemental, um, what I meant by that is when I'm looking at a horse to buy, I want to go with what my gut feeling has taught me over these years and not have an influence. I mean, it's nice to have someone say, did you happen to see that? But I want to sit down at night with them and say, look, and for them to convince me not to buy something where my gut feeling saying, you should do this. You know, so two friends of mine said, Oh, come and I say, great. One, one friend was, um, she was a minister of the church and she's also part of the stock or society. And which is really, you know, she rides a bit, she's a lovely lady. Um, she wanted to go and see family over there at the same time. And the other one was a mathematician at the university, you know.

Natasha (17:07):

love it. Yeah.

Lisa (17:11):

And so what we did was we put the light who, the friend of mine, who, who was the mathematician, she was great at navigating. So I became the driver.

Natasha (17:25):


Lisa (17:26):

The mathematician became the navigator. And my other friend who was part of the church and very dedicated to the church and the stockholder society, she became the neutral party. So we spent six weeks in Europe, um, which is a long time. And we looked at over 200 horses from Germany, right up to Denmark. We went to Andrea's Hiddleston place. We went to all the, the famous places, the clinkers and the everything. But we also went to a lot of piggeries who breeds. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Joe's remains in their backpack. And you know, and that's, that's where we wanted to get a horse from. Cause we didn't have a massive budget to deal with. So at this stage we had 24 hours left, um, after being in Europe for six weeks.

Natasha (18:30):

and you haven't found one. Thats awkward

Lisa (18:30):

just a bit, it's a bit. And I'mstarting, I'm going to get really frustrated. Cause everyone thinks, I'm sure you go to your, there'll be a horse. There will be a horse. But these horses adjust, not every way. This is so hard to find. So my daughter at this stage is back in Australia, her name's Jessica, and she's also quite talented with her riding and she raised me up and she says, mom, I think I've found the horse for you, Jess. Hello, I'm over it. I'm coming home. I just, I'm just, she said, no, no look, honestly, I think you should have a look at this horse. It's back in Germany. We were in Denmark at the time. She said, I think you've got to go and have a look. So I had a look at the footage and it was, it was nice, but you know, and I thought, well, look, I've got to go back to Germany anyway, way to fly out of Germany. I'll just come back and have a look where the girl said, look, we would like to see Denmark more. So they took the car, they took it up there and I flew back to Germany. Well, I jumped on this mare. When I first found her, she was skinny. She was not, she didn't have a lot of weight on him. He was quite stressed in the stable. And um, I remember my first ride because I like it was yesterday. I walked straight up to her and she was massive. And I thought, how am I going to get on this? Um, and she was really lanky, you know, the typical nearly look like she's a thoroughbred. Yeah. Like really spindly and, um, and get on him, have a little, I do know it probably won't work out, you know, so I jumped on and, and um, by this stage I'd riden probably 60 odd horses in six weeks. I'd come off one horse, um, it bolted and flipped over backwards on me. Um, so that was interesting. And, uh, anyway, so I, I spent the 24 hours riding his mare. The first day I rode, I, then I stayed in a motel that night. I liked what I rode, but I said to them, look, I need to be able to take this mare out of the arena. And um, I want to take it into the forest and I want to jumps logs. I want to actually treat her like a normal horse and that horrifying galloping around a forest. Um, and I said, well, look, you know, if you want your money, I want to actually have a buy. I don't want to have it. Um, so I took her out and we went into the forest, we went over and she was amazing. She just, I loved the fact that she just wanted to do more beautiful and she had tempered what was amazing. Um, so, and the rest is really history. We've got a home and, um, she was introduced to kangaroo wombats and ant eaters.

Natasha (21:51):

The typical Australian world.

Lisa (21:52):

Well, yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Natasha (21:57):

There was a time where you were riding and you had an accident, wasn't it. And that's what, um, has caused, what is it? 15% only now mobility in your ankle?

Lisa (22:10):

Yeah, so I was living in sky. Um, I, it was before Jess was born. Um, and I was training, um, quite a lot of horses at the time and this was, it was a dressage horse. Um, it, it bolted and it fell back over the top of me. And I put my tibia down through the bottom of my foot, um, and smashed the joints and several parts of that foot at the time. Um, that led to, uh, several, several, I think there was like 20 operations in that, um, to save my leg, um, over several months and learning how to walk and rehab and, um, uh, lots of, lots of work went into that. Um, so yeah, that happened then. And, uh, yeah, so that's how I actually ended up becoming, um, just before Rio, a para rider.

Natasha (23:16):

And how is the mindset? I know there's a lot of riders that have fear of riding, fearful feeling, fear of bolting or that kind of stuff for something to happen to you like that. Did you just get on the next arm you could ride, which would have been quite a long time after your, all your surgeries and everything. Did you have any fear or any apprehension or was that not there for you?

Lisa (23:39):

So, cause I've had another recently, I've had another really bad accident. Um, in December I had that eat, eat. It is hard. Um, you know, any order that says that they don't have fear, I believe, um, hasn't got enough respect for something that's five, six kilos underneath. Um, so yes, when I first got on, after my first accident I had, um, I was quite nervous, um, Cape, I was very lucky to have rhythmic at the time who I'd bred, um, wonderful temperament and, um, he's a horse that we'd send out droving on our properties and, um, you know, like it, it was very lucky to have him. Um, and the pain was mostly, um, poor trying to get my heel. I didn't realize cause your mechanics changed dramatically when you have these sort of accidents and you, when you've been riding for a long time, you get on the horse thinking that, um, cause the mind says, Hey, it's okay, just fine. And, and you go to ride the way you were going to ride before or have been riding before. But in actual fact it doesn't quite work that way. Um, and you've got to change your style.

Natasha (25:10):

Yeah. I can imagine that. There'd be a lot of frustration, a lot of, um, wishing it wasn't. So even though it's septic, so Wow. I think, I think I haven't talked to you for very long, but I feel you're a very strong woman and you have a very good way of handling that mindset. You wouldn't be where you're at without that, but I'm guessing there was an adjustment of feeling, sorry for yourself, feeling frustrated, feeling why did this happen to me feeling this is all too hard and just talk about it a little bit, the things you used or the things you said to yourself to get yourself out of there too. Well, I'll make good with now what my new reality is. My new situation is, and I'll make it better. And the goals then you set around that.

Lisa (25:54):

Sure. So I had a lot of, um, in mind, um, I will, I love riding. We all love riding. We all are, this is what we do, you know? Um, and I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that have had horrific accidents, um, that go, you know what, I'm just not going to put myself in that position again and understand that, um, you know, but for me, um, I look at it and it's something that with, uh, you know, other people do or not, I don't know, but I look at it like a car accident.

Natasha (26:31):

Yes, absolutely.

Lisa (26:34):

You're getting to a car, someone's hit your head on. That's a accident. Um, you've obviously goes through a lot of rehab, you know, then eventually, eventually you, you need your independence cause you've got to go back to that supermarket to get your milk and your groceries. So you, you really got to get back in that car. Um, so I look at it the same similar situation, um, but I'm very, very, very, very careful on what I get on. So, um, you know, I don't teach on, uh, you know, when I'm teaching, I don't get on other people's horses anymore. Um, I make sure I launch all my horses before I get on, um, if they've had time off, of course, and I just very cautious and I, and I I'm, I'm one of these people that, because I love it so much. And I look at that car situation and that scenario, I think we'll look, you know, what am I going to do with the rest of my life? This is all I've done. I'm not going to allow my brain and my mental wellbeing to beat me on this on me.

Natasha (27:43):

Yeah, absolutely. Okay. So, um, uh, do you tell me what you want to go? were you planning Did you say that you did Rio?

Lisa (27:56):

So we did Rio.

Natasha (27:59):

Okay. Yeah. A little bit about that.

Lisa (28:02):

Yeah. So Rio was a blast, unfortunately we didn't get to see much of it, but we

Natasha (28:16):

Everybody, if you can't say Lisa's face, It has lit up. She really liked this. Sorry to interrupt. Keep going,

Lisa (28:27):

look, we've put so many stores that show we don't have two or three hours. The team I was involved in were the most incredible, um, riders that you would ever imagine, um, mentally, physically and all the above, um, and going to Rio, you know, it was some, there was some downfalls, there was, there's no doubt about that. Um, the, the, the shock for stria was for me to become a para rider. That was cause I was a very, and still am, um, competitive grand Prix rider. Um, and I grew up with so many amazing riders, you know, that we, you know, have that, um, it was a bit of a shock for everyone to think that, you know, cause most, most rider if they've been writing for as long as we have. Um, and, and I'm explaining riders like Heath and Razi, um, mayor Murray Tomkinson, um, any of those top riders carry some sort of disability in some way where they've had accidents or whatever. So when I was classified as a PA grade five, um, para rider, it was a bit of a shock to most riders they've going, no, no, no, no, this can't, you've only got a fused ankle, you know, really that's happened. We don't like this, you know? Um, then I had other people, obviously a lot of support as well, but I believe that the reason I, well, I was classified and I can talk about the classification a little later on, but I was classified and I thought, look, I'm going to take this opportunity, um, that, you know, maybe I will never ever be able to compete at an able body, um, uh, Olympics or wheelchair and in classified, um, legitimately bought legitimately international, um, person classifier, not out of my own country, they're flown in from country. I'll just do it, you know, and I had first famous and I did it. Um, it was so exciting to do it. Um, we, we went into Holland first into a training camp and that was really difficult. I'll be honest. Um, the facilities weren't very good there. Um, there's a, I'm not going to put a golden spin on any of that. That was, wasn't very good at all. Um, I've gotta say, um, we'll let down a bit there. Um, and then, um, we, I moved to animate van Cortes place. Um, she was amazing. She took me on and said, look, come on over to my facilities. And I spent time there training, um, not without a mate, just myself. And then we came together and we flew back over or we flew to Rio. Um, Rio was incredible. It was scary. And um, everyone's going, why, why was it so scary? Well, the military was quite quite strong there and because they were what's it called? Um, they, the government was massive. They had a messy problem over there. Yeah. Yeah. So we flew in the middle,

Natasha (32:20):

Of all of that. We're here to go round in circle on our horses.

Lisa (32:30):

Going bankrupt and flying into the airport. And, um, and as I've come out the doors there's, um, there's military medics wrapped around them everywhere and you know, typical Australian country, girl, I go straight up to one, get my photo taken with you. So we get on the bus and we've got military all the way around us protecting us on the way to, um, the athlete's village was incredible. I mean, we had, it was every country had their own, um, um, mess building to work out off. Um, I think there was like nine floors on each buildings of quite large and each women, each building had their own swimming pool. So we're in there with all sorts of all the athletes, all the Australian teams from all walks of life. We're in there together. And you would have breakfast, lunch and dinner in the athlete's village, um, with every country sitting at tables and you listen to someone saying, I just had the worst day to day and you'll think, you know, what's happened. Oh, I just came second. And I really, really, really wanted a gold.

Natasha (34:01):

Wow. Yeah.

Lisa (34:06):

Just surreal. Yeah. Oh yeah. And then you couldn't share this. We couldn't, well, we did shower up, but you couldn't go to the toilet and put the toilet paper down the toilet without a, if someone was in, in the shower, because if you flush the toilet with the toilet paper, come up into the shower.

Natasha (34:29):

no, no, no That's good. Okay. Let's get into the horse thing. Were you happy with your tests in the games?

Lisa (34:40):

Oh, I was really thrilled.

Natasha (34:42):

It was a good point. I always, For anyone that goes to something like the games to do, Like, I think there's always be something left on the table if you're like, I could have done so much better. I don't know what happened. So that's, I'm so glad to hear that you did your best and you're yeah, you were really good and your best was fourth. I'm reading.

Lisa (35:03):

That's right.

Natasha (35:04):

How did that make you feel? Cause I think you're super competitive.

Lisa (35:11):

No was shattered. I'll be honest.

Natasha (35:18):

Thank you for being honest. I really appreciate that. You know, it's all the charity. No, I was shattered. Good. Well, lets move on from that, of course you will, but you get to be shattered. Absolutely. Cause I think four is, think, I dunno, I think I might want to become third or fifth.

Lisa (35:33):

you know, and 0.1%. Oh yeah. I wish I was like 3% behind everyone would have been better, but you know, things like, you know, I didn't, it brings you back into perspective the whole thing in perspective, because I'm having lunch after my first test and I hear like, there was probably a hundred different countries in that in a day instead having lunch together at the time and I hear this Aussie Aussie Aussie, where's this coming from? Where's this voice coming from, I turn around and here's his little man who's gorgeous. He would have been about, I don't know, in his twenties, I'm guessing. Um, I can't really what country it was from. And he was in a wheelchair and he saying, and he's wanting my attention. I turned around. I said, hi, you know? And he said, he said, you rode that big horse. And I said, yeah, he said, you should have one. Oh, Oh look. It was just so nice.

Natasha (36:52):

Did that fuel a much bigger fire for Tokyo? Like did it, was there or was it like, where are you thinking about Tokyo? Was it just, okay, well at least I've gone and I've done that and I'm not really thinking about it or was it like next time, podiums mine? What was the thinking after that?

Lisa (37:12):

Um, the thinking of did that was, um, uh, got business that I need to attend to. I walked away from this now as, um, an incredible experience that, you know, I cannot thank everyone for getting me there for a start, um, and having such an immense force to be able to ride. Um, and I thought, you know, what if, if the world collapse, like if I never have a horse like this again, and I never have this opportunity again, it's not going to be the end of the world either. I'm big. I had two sides, it I've got an unfinished business, but I also had that in me saying, you've done it, you know, you've done it.

Natasha (38:04):

I think that sounds like such a peaceful balance to have, like we, as humans always need to have something we're working towards, but it's not the be all and end all that your life might have meaning if so. Awesome. All right. So, um, where are you thinking his first famous young enough for Tokyo? Or do we need another horse? What's the plan?

Lisa (38:29):

No, he's just turning 13. So, um, she's I know, right. So she's got a few more years left in an hour and she's had a few Neagley type of, um, injuries because she's, she's done an enormous amount of traveling. So between her and I were, were, uh, both as bad as others.

Natasha (38:53):

Yeah. All right. So that's the plan. So then just take us to four months, four months ago, you had a recent

Lisa (39:03):

I, and it was not her of all horses, the quietest horse I've ever written my whole life. Um, and I had bought her back in, she'd been in for probably three, four months, I suppose, after being out for quite a while. And she was going really well. Um, I normally I'd ride on my own, um, on the property here. And I was very lucky at the time that we had some people moving into the cottage, which is all about 50 meters away from my Raina that I rent out and someone was moving in there. And, um, and so there was someone he luckily, um, anyway, I'm on the arena with her and at times she, she can get a bit fussy in the mouth when I'm going to do a rainbow. And I said, Oh, look, I'll start getting this going again. You know, I've practiced this. Yeah, yeah. So I'm on the edge of the rain I've stopped. I've asked you to reign back and I've got a Kickboard that's about knee high that goes around the arena and she's down on her tongue. We think that's what's happened and she's frightened herself and she's gone back even like quite fast and crooked. And she's put her outside, back leg over the Kickboard of the arena and gone into the gully that I've got that takes the water off the arena and, and down the paddock. And she's gone into this fall and sideways and collapsed on top of me, um, and, and got caught in this gully and she's laid on my pelvis and she smashed my, um, I couldn't feel my legs, which was quite frightening. Um, she, she smashed my, um, pelvis in several spots, um, my sacred, my spine, um, and, um, several of the other pieces of me. Um, and I ended up in, um, in hospital for several months. Yeah.

Natasha (41:13):

And are you riding now?

Lisa (41:16):

Yes. So the exciting thing is I've got two friends or two in particular friends that are very strong bond and said, you are not getting back on that big day. She's 18. And getting back on her straight away, we're going to give you an older, a stock horse. It's lot narrow and easy to get on. So I rode her for a few days and, um, and I'm back on first famous now. Yeah. Can to yesterday for the first time, um,

Natasha (41:45):

Congratulations, you are Phenomenal. I take my hat. I love your mindset. As you said, they are big animals and things can go wrong, but the likelihood of them going you've, you've riden your whole life, Literally like since you were two and, And yes, it's so unfortunate. Two big accidents have happened, but compared to how many million rods you've had, where nothing happened, I think your mindset around people would go and cars every day. And occasionally there are accidents. That's just the reality. Um, and as you said, it is a mindset thing. So I can only imagine what it felt like to swing your leg over again, um, a couple of months ago, whenever you, yeah. Which just attests to how strong you are and how strong minded you are. And, um, um, I'm just in awe. So huge love and congratulations for just overcoming that hurdle. Cause, um, does it, did you ever, did you have a pity party? Like I, if something, I have a pity party, I'm only allowed one hour, but I go to town on that hour. Did you have one of them in the house? Well, why, why me? Why.

Lisa (42:59):

I'm only human like everyone. And I, I, I can't tell you how low I got at time. Um, and every day, every single day, my husband would come into me. Maybe, maybe he missed two out of five months or four months of me being in hospital and he'd come in with his iPad and we'd sit, we will all sit him down and he would sit with me and we'd watch a movie and he would listen to me and he would help me. And, um, and my daughter, you know, she's a boarding school and she'd ring me and she'd be at home talking to me. And, um, the friends and the questions centered head, the bride, the Ryan's that y'all came and saw me that lots of friends came and sure, I did have some really low days. There is no doubt about that because the doctors, doctors would say to me, the surgeons will say to me, we don't know whether you will walk again. We don't know whether you thought let alone ride again. We don't know whether we went out and walk again,

Natasha (44:12):

Walking isn't on the table, let alone riding. That's huge. Yeah.

Lisa (44:16):

Yeah. Um, well putting me in a wheelchair and, um, lifting me with a, um, a big lift, like a, um, a crane type into the water, um, every day to get the circulation going and I'd bedsores, you know, and all the above. Um, but it was, she kind of, you know, I'd lay in bed and I couldn't move my legs. And so I would lay there and say, you're going to move and I'd get a tiny little feel and I'd move it. And eventually I'd be able to lift it off the bed a little bit, but you know, even now I, I can't with my leg, my right leg up properly. But, um, it's, you know, there was so many people in there that were dying of cancer or had lost limbs, or you kind of go together.

Natasha (45:14):

Wow. Yeah, you are amazing. And you're absolutely right. It is that perspective and it is, it can be so much worse. So you just get any other advice. Um, things like having a support network, friends, family really helped you, um, and was one of those things to, to, you know, get you through it. Anything else that you did or anything else that you listened to, or a mantra that you said to yourself, um, seems like it's just your blunt determination going to move my leg. I can just pitch you in that heart. It's nothing else to do in that hospital bed.

Lisa (45:54):

I think just, um, you know, you're laying in there and, um, you don't have any choice. You feel sorry for yourself, you know, really who else is going to feel sorry for you, you know? Um, and you don't need to go down that line. I mean, you sure, there's going to be times where you go, God, you know, what am I doing here? You know? But there was never, ever, there was never a moment I can, I can think of at the moment that I ever said to myself, I'd never get on a horse. Um, there was never that doubt in my mind. Um, I, I, I don't know what to be honest, other than friends and family. The only thing that I did, I did say to everyone was don't come and visit me with negativity.

Natasha (46:50):

Oh good on you to have that boundary good on you.

Lisa (46:55):

Yeah. And I, I suppose that's hard for a lot of people because people love you and they wanted you to, you know, get, you know, what do you need to understand that you don't normally ever be on? You know? And I said, no, no, no, no, no, look, let's, let's look at the positives here. You know, I'm starting to move and you know, and you go through, but don't come to me with negativity. You might think, but don't say it.

Natasha (47:34):

I love it. And that is that beautiful respect rock on with all your opinions, just don't share them with me, not interested. And you've really cultivated your own reality, which was you were going to walk and you were going to ride again. And that became your reality. And I think that's so important that people do. And I don't know if people listening, going through, obviously we have a virus down in Victoria we're in and locked down. There's a lot of things going on. There's a lot of people losing things and, and, and in really stressful situations. But I think how hopefully having an experience of listening to you, they can understand that, um, bad things can happen, but it is how you shape your reality and that positivity and that determination of, well, I can't control everything, but I can control while I lie here. I can control what I think. And I can con I've got times I'm going to work on moving my leg or whatever it is. And it seems like,

Lisa (48:31):

and there's a light at the end of the tunnel, you know, this Covid thing. It's really, and especially everyone from Victoria, we are thinking of you all there, hope they'd be staying safe, um, to, you know, but you know, we will get through this. It will get better. We'll try it. We'll get better. Um, we will be back all together, riding again, and it will get better.

Natasha (48:57):

I love it. And again, for everyone not able to see your gorgeous face, like again, you lit up saying, we're all gonna ride together. I think you are an absolute beacon of positivity and optimism. Not, and I don't like the word. Maybe I shouldn't have said positivity. I like optimism. Cause it's not like your everything's great. Everything's fine. We're aware of the reality. We're aware it can be bad or whatever it is. But as you said, looking out to that future and always knowing that the future is better and broader and we'll be like, this really helps. So thank you so much. So plan is Tokyo 20, 21.

Lisa (49:34):

I hope so. Um, that's the plan. I'm hoping it's even going to be still on honey. I'm like, like it's just with everything happening. Um, you know, the ones again, we just, you ride and you train and you plan for it to be on, but who knows?

Natasha (49:55):

Yeah, exactly. And do you have any sponsors accompanies or people that support you that you would like to thank today?

Lisa (50:03):

Oh, foresight. Um, they are just, I, they were my first sponsors when I bought first famous out. Um, so I've been using foresight, um, for, with my horses. We've got six horses on foresight and they sponsor all my horses, um, including my daughter's camp drafters and cutting horses. She's, she's into a bit of cutting. Um, so, um, full site, um, I've seen seriously, um, and honestly some amazing things. I mean, if you've got a whole list, it's completely riddled with arthritis. It's not going to fix it. Yes. But it's going to is lying. It's certainly going to make it more comfortable. And I've actually started the human grade of the tablet about three months ago.

Natasha (50:54):

It's a shame. You can't have it, but you can. That's great.

Lisa (51:03):

Um, that they they've bought out and it's, it's very good. It takes a couple of months. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. But it's good. So, yeah. But thank you, foresight. Yeah.

Natasha (51:16):

Love it. Love it. Excellent. Anything else you'd like to share with the community? Any passing message or thoughts, or have you said everything that you've got in your head that you want to share?

Lisa (51:29):

I think I've said, look, I, if anyone's got any questions or, um, I'm always open on Facebook, I'm on Facebook. Um, for anyone who wants to answer, ask any questions about anything, um,

Natasha (51:42):

are you a coach? What's your occupation?

Lisa (51:47):

I teach, I do teach quite a lot and I love my teaching. I just love it. So, Oh shit.

Natasha (51:59):

Your whole face changes. Like you have a smile and then you have a smile for the things you really love. You really love coaching.

Lisa (52:05):

I love it because I've been, I've been blessed to, um, you know, to, to have been trained by some amazing trainers. And I'd love to share that with other people. Yeah. Yeah.

Natasha (52:18):

Okay. So if someone wants to be coached by you, if someone wants to just reach out and ask you any questions, um, they can find you on Facebook, put your Facebook thingy in the show notes. Um, have we forgotten everything or are we good? Did we get everything? Oh, good. Good. Well, thank you so much. I've had such a pleasure to listen to your story. I'm totally inspired and I love your mindset. I love your thinking. It's no wonder at all the results that you've created in your life and I'm so fingers crossed for Tokyo next year.

Lisa (52:53):

Thank you so much guys. And I really appreciate your support and, um, you know, and, and really keeps supporting para Australia as well. Cause we've, we've got some big goals and I'm sure we're going to kick them.

Natasha (53:05):

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